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Here's PensionBee customer, Tony, three years on
In one of our first ever customer case studies, we met 53-year-old Tony. We recently caught up with him to find out if he’s on track for a happy retirement, and learn how PensionBee is helping him achieve his goals.

In one of our first ever customer case studies three years ago, we met Tony, who was approaching retirement and living in Weston-Super-Mare with his wife. He had only recently joined PensionBee, after getting fed up with his previous ‘old-fashioned’ provider, and was starting to think more about his plans for retirement. We recently caught up with Tony to find out if he’s on track for a happy retirement, and learn how PensionBee is helping him achieve his goals. Here’s what he had to say...

PensionBee: What made PensionBee stand out when you were looking for a new provider?

Tony: What stood out for me straight away was the fact PensionBee is a digital platform. I’d had trouble trying to transfer my pensions between providers before, and when I was looking for alternatives, I saw your advert and PensionBee immediately stood out. Corporate providers and the pensions industry as a whole seems somewhat outdated now. The idea of being able to manage my pension through my phone seemed like a no-brainer and much more convenient. Just getting updates by email was a big change!

Even when you were a smaller company, the reviews and comments I’d seen showed lots of people felt the same and addressed any concerns I had.

PensionBee: You originally spoke about wanting to use your pension to buy a new home with your wife. Have you been able to do this? If so, what has your drawdown experience with PensionBee been like?

Tony: Funnily enough I have. I recently turned 55 and took my _corporation_tax tax-free lump sum, but have left the remaining 75% invested. My wife and I moved to Northern Ireland a few years ago to be closer to her daughter. We’ve been renting here up ‘til now, but we’re just about to buy a house and I’ve used some of my pension for this.

If I had to describe the PensionBee withdrawal process in one word... I’d say ‘fluid’. Everything has just been at the touch of a button and easy to do.

In the run up to this, last year there were some market fluctuations, and this worried me a little with the purchase coming up. I knew I was invested in the Tailored Plan, but you had less risky plans I could choose. So I switched my pension to the Preserve Plan, as this gave me the reassurance that my funds were fairly stable. Being able to switch plans like this meant I could plan ahead and protect my pension, ready for when I needed the money.


PensionBee: How has PensionBee helped you become pension confident?

Tony: Everything is just easier and you’re able to do it with the touch of a button in your app. It’s helped with real-time thinking and planning for my pension and retirement plans. I used to only see my pension balance once a year, which didn’t give me much idea or understanding, even though it’s my money. But it’s now just more tangible and flexible to align with me and my needs.

It’s helped with real-time thinking and planning for my pension and retirement plans.

I can’t see myself retiring anytime soon, I think I’ll be working to at least State Pension age, similar to lots of other people I think. But I know my money is in safe hands, and I can easily consider and change my investment options as I get closer to retirement. Lots of people are nervous about digital services, but it’s a no-brainer for me, especially moving forward.

PensionBee: Looking back, what advice would you give to a younger Tony?

Tony: I suppose when I was younger and started my pension, I didn’t really have any idea about it. I knew I was paying into one with my employer, but the process was a bit of a ‘sign here’ one, You accepted you were paying into it each month but I didn’t really understand where my money was going I guess, or even give it much thought. So I think I should have looked after my money better as a whole and thought about the future more to put me in the position I wanted to be in.

PensionBee: What do you enjoy most about PensionBee?

Tony: Just the overall offering. The app and newsletters are great. It’s nice to see your profiles on Twitter and Facebook, it just isn’t something I’d expect from a provider and it’s reassuring I suppose. Being kept in the loop and having these insights into the company and the brand is brilliant.

I’ve also enjoyed growing with PensionBee as a company, I joined quite early on and have seen how far you’ve come and how the services have grown too. Even though you’ve increased in size a lot, and quickly, it’s been seamless and communicated really well throughout.

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PensionBee: How do you think the pensions industry could improve to help consumers?

Tony: It needs to be more tangible and visible to customers. It’s people’s money, so they should be able to see in real-time what’s happening, not just getting an update once a year like I used to. There needs to be a better, more fluid arrangement around the whole pension system. Nothing is combined across the industry, it feels broken almost and just takes a long time for things to happen.

Where PensionBee are working with banks and other providers to bring together services and systems for its customers, others aren’t shifting. You’re setting the example for others to follow.

PensionBee: Can you describe your experience with us in 3 words?

Tony: Second to none!

As always, we’d love to hear your feedback, so leave your comments below or get in touch with the team on Twitter!

Celebrating Pride Month at PensionBee
Promoting diversity and inclusivity is a key focus at PensionBee. Find out how we’re celebrating Pride Month and the LGBTQ+ movement as a company.

Throughout June we’re proud to be celebrating LGBTQ+ Pride Month at PensionBee, and even though we can’t join our local parade this year, there are lots of fun things we’re doing internally.

LGBTQ+ Pride is about appreciating community and diversity, remembering the progress that has been made against discrimination, and celebrating love in all its forms. Pride Month takes place every year in June, and is celebrated across the world in recognition of the LGBTQ+ movement. June was selected as the month to celebrate Pride as it was the month when the Stonewall riots took place in New York in 1969.

A year after the Stonewall riots, Mark Segal, an LGBTQ+ pioneer and witness to the riots, founded the first New York City Pride march in 1970, which has been running ever since. The first Pride festival in the UK took place in 1972 in London, with around 2,000 people in attendance. Now more than a million people turn out in London to celebrate each year.

LGBTQ+ at PensionBee

Whilst Pride Month brings visibility to the LGBTQ+ community and the issues they face in society, promoting diversity and inclusion within our team culture is a key focus at PensionBee all year round. The concept of diversity and inclusivity encompasses acceptance and respect and is central to our five company values of Love, Innovation, Honesty, Simplicity and Quality.

At PensionBee we have two Diversity Champions, Rachael and James, and are planning to expand the team in the coming weeks. Our Diversity Champions are responsible for running internal events that help us to celebrate our differences, highlight our similarities and create a safe space where important discussions can take place.

This month, Pride has provided us with an opportunity to discuss love and identity as a team, sharing experiences and increasing our knowledge about the LGBTQ+ community. James, one of our Diversity Champions, says: “It’s important for us to embrace and celebrate our diversity in all it’s forms, so it’s great that myself and Rachael can bring colleagues together to celebrate Pride.

At PensionBee, we believe that having a diverse and inclusive team allows us to better understand our diverse customer base, leading to better business decisions. Our CMO, Jasper Martens, says: “We’re stewards of our customers’ hard-earned pension money and can only do our job well if we’ve built a pension product with input from a diverse, inclusive and happy team.

Our vision is to live in a world where everyone has a happy retirement, and we believe that a happy team will lead to happy customers. That’s why happiness is at the heart of our team culture and so everyone at PensionBee has a ‘Happiness!’ Manager who they meet with every 6-8 weeks. A ‘Happiness!’ meeting focuses solely on how someone’s feeling, and what the company can do to support them. During these meetings conversations cover everything from a colleague’s work and home life to their emotional wellbeing which includes encouraging them to be their full self in all aspects of their life, particularly when it comes to their identity.

Our LGBTQ+ Bar

One event that we’ve set up during Pride Month is our LGBTQ+ Bar which opens every Friday at 5pm. In our virtual bar we have themed discussions as a team, providing an opportunity for colleagues and friends to come together to share stories and learn from each other. Each week has had a different topic of conversation, ranging from gender binary and fluidity, to how people’s experiences have changed within the workplace. While we’ve only had two sessions to date, we believe it’s initiatives like this that help make PensionBee such a fun and inclusive place to work, and speaks to the culture we’ve created where everyone feels valued and supported.

Sam, one of our Nectar Collectors, who joined our first LGBTQ+ Bar said “I have become so comfortable in my identity at work that I recently hosted a Q&A session centred on gender identity and what it means to be non-binary. I never expected to succeed in the financial industry as a queer, transgender person, until I joined PensionBee.

Pride Slack channel

We have also set up a ‘PensionBee Pride’ Slack channel which allows everyone in the company to share ideas and resources and discuss the ways we can support the LGBTQ+ community. Ari, a member of our marketing teams says: “It’s been great to hear from everyone and learn about the LGBTQ+ history, get recommendations for some podcasts to listen to and just be a part of general chat around the Pride movement.

Donut catch-ups

Another initiative we have at PensionBee to promote diversity and inclusivity is our Donut program. Two members of staff get randomly paired together and go out for a donut (getting a donut isn’t compulsory though!). This is an opportunity to get to know other members of the company who you may not usually get a chance to interact with in the office. Whilst the topic of conversations vary, lots of recent Donut’s have been centred around the issues that matter most to us from Pride Month to the Black Lives Matter movement.

At PensionBee we know that everyone is unique, from our team members through to our 280,000 registered customers, and we frequently celebrate this both internally and externally. We’re passionate about challenging the outdated pensions industry, and part of that is challenging the traditional outlook of what a workplace should look like. That’s why we think it’s important to champion diversity year-round at PensionBee, not just during Pride Month.

Listen to our CEO, Romi, talking pensions with Times Money Mentor
Our CEO, Romi Savova, recently took part in a Times Money Mentor webinar discussing pensions, planning ahead and how to simplify your finances.

On Friday 5 June our CEO, Romi, was invited to join a live webinar for Times Money Mentor, a free website from The Times designed to help you make smarter financial decisions and grow your money through how-to guides, articles, Q&As, inspirational stories and videos. The event saw Romi, Gemma Godfrey, Executive Editor of Times Money Mentor and Kate Palmer, Senior Money Reporter for The Times and The Sunday Times, discuss the importance of planning ahead for a happy retirement.

Romi discussed what coronavirus means for your pensions and investments, making the most of your pension contributions and answered viewers’ questions live with Gemma and Kate. You can watch a full recording of the webinar below. If you have any questions that weren’t covered, let us know in the comments below or get in touch with us on Twitter!

Watch Money to the Masses’ live pension Q&A with our CEO
Our CEO, Romi Savova, recently took part in a live Q&A with Money to the Masses, answering your pension related questions.

On Friday 15 May our CEO, Romi, took part in a live pensions Q&A, hosted by Money to the Masses director Damien Fahy. Money to the Masses is one of the UK’s leading independent personal finance websites, empowering consumers to take control of their finances. Romi answered reader questions about consolidating your pensions, the options you have when drawing down your pension, and how to make the most of the Money Purchase Annual Allowance (MPAA).

Here are some of the key topics Romi covered:

You can watch the full replay of the Q&A below. If you have any questions that weren’t covered, let us know in the comments below or get in touch with us on Twitter!

8 questions that can speed up your pension transfer
Whilst our aim is to make pension transfers as easy as possible, some providers are still stuck in the dark ages. Find out some of the questions you can your provider to speed your transfer up.

This article was last updated on 21/05/2025

Transferring a pension should be simple, however this isn’t always the case. At PensionBee we want to make transfers as easy as possible, but unfortunately not all providers share our vision. When we looked at pension transfer times across the industry, we found that some providers take over two months to complete a transfer.

We know that slow pension transfers can make it even harder for you to stay engaged with your retirement savings. This can potentially leave you worse off in the long run. Our Cost of Disengagement Report dives into the risks of ignoring your pension and highlights why the industry urgently needs to make saving for the future easier.

As soon as we know the details of your pension, we’ll try to do all the legwork for you. But there are a few things you can do to speed up your transfer. Here are eight questions to ask both your pension provider and yourself to make your transfer quicker.

1. What type of pension do I have?

Most workplace and personal pensions are defined contribution pensions. Transferring a defined contribution pension should be fairly straightforward. Pension transfers can be more complex if you have a defined benefit pension (also known as a ‘final salary’ pension). You may have one if you’ve worked for a large company or in the public sector. With defined benefit pensions, you’ll have to seek independent financial advice if it’s worth over £30,000, which can delay the transfer.

2. Will I lose any benefits or face charges when I transfer?

Pensions can sometimes come with guarantees, known as ‘safe-guarded benefits‘, as long as you remain in the scheme. The level of reward will vary, but it’s important to understand what you’ll lose before committing to transfer your pension. If you’re not sure, you can ask your old provider for more information.

When leaving a scheme early, you may be faced with a pension transfer charge, also known as an ‘exit fee’. The amount you’re charged can vary between providers and schemes. It’s important to understand how much you’ll be charged and the impact the charges can have on your pension pot size in the short and long-term.

At PensionBee, we charge one single annual management fee, which is taken directly from your pension pot. This will be between 0.50 and 0._rate, depending on the plan you choose. There are no hidden transfer fees, or any other kind of fees.

3. Does my new provider need to send a letter of authority?

A letter of authority (LOA) shows providers that you’ve given PensionBee permission to request pension information on your behalf. Although we’re sometimes able to request the transfer straight away, if we need any information about your pension, we’ll need to send an LOA first.

Finding out if we’ll need an LOA, and where to send it, can help to fast track your transfer. Some providers have multiple departments. So knowing the best postal or email address to use cuts out a lot of the back and forth between us and your provider.

4. Is my personal information up to date?

The personal details you’ve given PensionBee will need to match the information held by your current provider when requesting a transfer. So if you’ve moved house or got married since opening the pension, you’ll need to update this information with your old provider first.

If any details don’t match up, your provider won’t release any information about your pension. You might then need to send further paperwork and proof of identification to your provider so they can verify your identity.

5. Is my pension active?

Before transferring a pension, all personal and employer contributions will need to have finished. If the pension is still receiving contributions, these could be lost or delay the transfer. Most providers will insist on three months of no contributions before accepting a transfer request, so it’s worth checking sooner rather than later. With PensionBee you can add an active pension to your account, and as soon as you stop receiving contributions we can initiate the transfer.

6. Do I have all of my policy information?

When tracing a pension, any information you’re able to provide us at the moment of sign up is a massive help. This could be your provider’s name or a policy number. Any information you can dig out will go a long way to finding your pension and helping us complete the transfer faster.

If you need support with this, you can use the government’s Pension Tracing Service. It’s a database of pension plans that allows you to search for your employer’s name, to see if there’s a record of their pension provider.

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7. Do you accept electronic transfers?

Although paper transfer forms are less common now, some providers still use them. In fact, around 8% of the transfers we process require us to use paper forms. Not only is this bad for the environment, it slows down your transfer and carries the risk of valuable information being lost in the post too.

At PensionBee we do our part by using the electronic transfer platform Origo Options. This allows for a safer, more efficient and environmentally-friendly transfer of your pension. If your provider accepts electronic transfers, your money should be moved in no more than two weeks. However, if your old provider insists on paper transfer forms, the transfer can take up to twice as long. These delays allow your provider to earn more in fees and may even put you off transferring altogether.

8. Is there anything else I can do?

With most transfers, having your policy information and authority to act on your behalf is enough. However, some providers will have additional requirements. This is particularly common among providers who still use paper transfer forms. Finding out if you’ll need to send proof of identification or further paperwork, can ensure a smoother transfer.

Speaking to your provider both before and during the transfer means you can avoid any blockers, and ensure there aren’t any hiccups along the way.

How does consolidation work with PensionBee?

At PensionBee we’ll always keep you in the loop about your transfer and aim to make the process as simple as possible. You can sign up in just a few minutes and you’ll be assigned your very own UK-based BeeKeeper should you have any questions throughout your pension journey with us.

Risk warning

As always with investments, your capital is at risk. The value of your investment can go down as well as up, and you may get back less than you invest. This information should not be regarded as financial advice.

The PensionBee value of honesty
At PensionBee we have five company values, and the value of ‘honesty’ is at the centre of everything we do. Here’s why...

At PensionBee we have five company values: innovation, love, simplicity, quality and honesty. Earlier in the year, I wrote about innovation and love. Now I’d like to tell you about our value of honesty. ‘Honesty’ might not be a word that is generally associated with financial services. It’s an industry for which there’s a lot of mistrust, and you could say understandably so. It was really important to us, therefore, that PensionBee put the value of honesty at the centre of everything we do. We’re asking people to trust their hard-earned money with us. The money that will help them enjoy the last chapter of their life. How are we to expect our customers to trust us if we aren’t honest with them?

Being honest with each other

We’ve worked hard to build an environment in the office that encourages honesty. Our CTO, Jonathan, recently wrote a piece on our blog all about our amazing ‘Happiness!’ program (it’s one of the reasons we won a Diversity & Inclusion Champion award at the Computing Tech Marketing & Innovation Awards last month) but in a nutshell, the program consists of all employees, right up to the founders, having regular meetings with their ‘Happiness!’ manager. We’re encouraged to answer the question of whether we’re happy honestly, and it makes a lot of sense, because if things aren’t right, we want to know, so that we can make them right. Of course, we also hear the reasons that people are happy, and that can be just as helpful in showing us when we’re on the right path.

In the spirit of transparency, our CEO, Romi, holds monthly ‘CEO Sessions’ where she talks to us about aspects of the business that we might not see in our day-to-day work lives. As an employee, being kept in touch with all the important information and big decisions being made, makes a real difference to how connected to and how involved with the company you feel. We’ve recently also started a new series called ‘Ask Me Anything’, where a member of the team will host an open lunch where anyone from the company can join and ask them questions about their job or department or a specific topic.

Another regular session we run is the ‘BeeStorm’, which I talked about in my piece on our value of innovation. The ‘BeeStorm’ is intended to give the Customer Success Team a platform to tell us where improvements can be made to the processes they’re following. Encouraging this kind of feedback not only helps us to make sure we’re always improving our systems, but it also gives that team a stronger sense of ownership over the tools they’re using. And happy employees tend to make happy customers!

Being honest with our customers

Being honest with our customers is something that we care deeply about at PensionBee, and something that we encourage from others in our industry as well. For a lot of people, pensions are a product that is shrouded in mystery, and lifting the cloak on that is central to our company mission. This mission manifests itself in several ways from being transparent about the fees we charge our customers, to publishing data about how we, and others in the industry, perform when it comes to transferring pensions.

In fact, our whole service is based on the belief that transparency in pensions is what customers need and deserve. We believe that customers should always know what’s happening with their money, which is why our customers get to see how their pension’s performing, not just once a year, but every time they log into their account. We recently became the first pension provider to adopt the Simpler Annual Statement, a two-page document that gives customers the information they really need in an easy-to-digest format. For too long, pension statements (often the only insight a customer gets into their pension) have been thick wads of paper, with so much information on them, that it’s been hard for savers to find the information that matters to them.

Honesty with our customers isn’t just a one-way street though. We want our customers to be honest with us too! We actively seek feedback from our customers all the time and the responses we get are shared with the entire team in weekly updates and in our weekly ‘Show’n’Tell’ sessions, where a portion of time is assigned to hearing some of the feedback we’ve had in the previous week. We also live-feed our Trustpilot reviews into a Slack channel that the whole company has access to, so whether the feedback is good or bad, we all get to see, in real-time, what our customers are saying about us. We have an unofficial company policy to say thank you for all feedback. Often it’s nice to hear, sometimes it isn’t, but it’s always helpful, because even if we disagree with the feedback (we rarely do!), it still tells us something about how our customers feel about our service, and that is an invaluable learning.

It’s almost impossible to build a high-quality product or to offer high-quality service, without feedback, which is especially important to us, since another of our company values is quality. I’ll tell you more about that next time.

How PensionBee’s supporting vulnerable customers
Here’s how we’re supporting vulnerable customers at PensionBee...

Money has evolved dramatically in recent years. In 2019, credit card spending overtook cash payments for the first time, and during the pandemic we saw a massive shift to digital payments as many vendors refused to accept cash altogether, favouring contactless payment methods instead. As our money and financial services industry has become increasingly digitised, scammers have become highly sophisticated, often targeting our personal details over our wallets.

Research conducted by consumer champion, Boring Money, found that a third of all investors self-identified as vulnerable to financial harm. With the cost-of-living crisis continuing into 2023, more people run the risk of falling between the cracks. Our company vision’s for everyone to feel in control of their finances so they can look forward to a happy retirement. Here’s how we’re supporting vulnerable customers at PensionBee...

Identifying vulnerability in customers

As the regulator of the UK financial services industry, the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) coaches financial companies on how to deliver good practices in business and the fair treatment of consumers. According to the FCA, it’s the duty of financial institutions to protect customers from this harm: like falling for a scam, or sliding into unaffordable debt.

In the FCA’s own words: “A vulnerable customer is someone who, due to their personal circumstances, is especially susceptible to harm, particularly when a firm is not acting with appropriate levels of care.” The responsibility isn’t for vulnerable customers to advocate for themselves. Companies must work towards spotting and supporting vulnerable customers.

There are the four categories of vulnerability the FCA advises firms to watch out for:

1. Capability

Making informed decisions about your money requires you to hold the right information.


Capability characteristics that increase financial vulnerability


Insufficient knowledge or confidence in managing finances

Limited, or non-existent, digital abilities

Poor literacy and numeracy skills

Restricted access to help and support

2. Health

Making informed decisions about your money requires you to hold the right information.

Health characteristics that increase financial vulnerability


Addiction, or compulsive behaviour

Hearing or visual impairment

Mental health, or physical disability

Severe or long-term illness

3. Life events

Making informed decisions about your money requires you to hold the right information.

Life events that increase financial vulnerability


Change in finances, like redundancy

Domestic abuse or traumatic experiences

Giving or receiving caring responsibilities

Loss through bereavement or relationship breakdown

4. Resilience

Making informed decisions about your money requires you to hold the right information.

Resilience characteristics that increase financial vulnerability


Inadequate or erratic income

Limited emotional resilience

Over-indebtedness

Restricted or lack of savings

What does being a vulnerable customer mean?

As you can see, the list of characteristics that increase your vulnerability to financial harm are extensive. In all likelihood, you may have been identified by your bank or another financial services provider as a vulnerable customer at one point in your life.

This is where the FCA’s ‘Consumer Duty‘ principles come in. The Consumer Duty advises financial firms that “consumers should receive communications they can understand, products and services that meet their needs and offer fair value, and they get the customer support they need, when they need it”. Whether you realise that you’re vulnerable or not, when you communicate with your financial provider they’ll be trained to spot these characteristics and support you to the best of their ability.

How we support our vulnerable customers at PensionBee

An empathetic customer experience

As PensionBee’s COO, I’m responsible for a range of operational activities across the business, including our Customer Success and Compliance teams. To give the best customer experience, we need an empathetic and knowledgeable in-house team. Our guiding light in all communications is our company value of love. All our customers are assigned a personal BeeKeeper to give them a friendly, human experience.

Our BeeKeepers go through in-depth training on identifying vulnerability characteristics and acting with care, as part of their onboarding training program. Our Team Leaders conduct spot checks and provide regular training to ensure our customers receive the highest level of service. If a customer’s unhappy with our service, our Compliance team investigates and aims to respond within three working days after receiving the complaint.

An inclusive product design

Our CDO, Matt Loft, oversees the development of new and existing features for our entire customer journey. He’s made it his mission to embed clear accessibility and consider vulnerability across the PensionBee mobile app and website. Every interface is carefully reviewed to ensure our product design supports all of our customers.

From workshops with screen readers to understand how visually impaired customers may receive information, to focus groups and questionnaires monitoring customer interests. Using these feedback loops and tracking customer insights, our product continually adapts to better suit the evolving needs of our growing customer base.

What if I’m a vulnerable customer?

PensionBee takes your vulnerability seriously. If you’re comfortable sharing your vulnerability characteristics with your BeeKeeper, we’ll try our best to make any reasonable adjustments for you whilst maintaining strict confidentiality. We’re committed to creating a customer-centric culture that permeates all teams: from our Software Engineers improving your app interface, to your BeeKeeper keeping you in the loop on your pension transfers.

If you’re struggling right now, and you need to talk to someone, call Samaritans on 116 123. You can speak to a volunteer from Mental Health Innovations there. They’re open 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. You can also text the word ‘SHOUT’ to 85258. You can do it entirely anonymously if that’s what you’d prefer. The first port of call for any mental health issues, big or small, should be your GP. They can connect you with your local NHS Mental Health Trust to support you with any sort of treatment you might need.

Risk warning

As always with investments, your capital is at risk. The value of your investment can go down as well as up, and you may get back less than you invest. This information should not be regarded as financial advice.

4 pension innovations that could make the dashboard obsolete before it’s even here
Is the pensions dashboard becoming less and less necessary?

I’m a huge proponent of the Pensions Dashboards, however, like most in the industry, I’m getting a bit tired of waiting for the DWP to issue something of substance.

Knowing exactly the type of gremlins that lie in providers’ pension data, I don’t think the 2019 deadline is achievable and at best we are looking at 2021 for even the best-in class providers to submit their data.

Three years is a long time and rather than go on about why the dashboard should in fact be multiple dashboards and that we don’t need full coverage on day 1 - debates which have been had ad nauseum in the industry already - I thought it may be helpful to point out a couple of developments that may make the dashboard obsolete by the time it comes into production.

Bank marketplaces

Banks and data aggregators are already offering dashboard-like functionality to consumers and the ability to see one’s pension balance next to one’s current account is hugely appealing. PensionBee’s recent integration with Starling Bank, the coolest new bank on the block, shows the power of aggregated data for consumers.

Both PensionBee and Nutmeg are also available on Bud - a provider of dashboards to banks - and we have heard more pension providers are expressing interest in joining the party.

Now of course this is slightly less appealing if you have 11 or so different pensions, but there are already initiatives underway to reduce the number of pots people accumulate in the first place...

Pension follows member

A proposal to allow consumers to choose their auto-enrolment pension is gaining momentum in the industry. Indeed, pension follows member will dramatically reduce pension pot proliferation, particularly in industries where job-hopping is fairly prominent.

We at PensionBee support pension follows member because it will encourage consumer ownership of pensions and pension outcomes. But let’s be honest - not everyone will take it up because the employer’s default would still be available, well, by default.

But fortunately, consolidation at various points in time is also becoming easier...

Transfer standards

The newly issued guidance by the Transfers and Re-registration Industry Group clearly calls for a 14-day end-to-end switching guideline and while the standard is voluntary, it does sound like a register of who is and isn’t complying will be forthcoming.

PensionBee exists to make pensions simple and as the only U.K. pension company exclusively focused on consolidation, we have been very vocal in calling for an end-to-end pension switch guarantee, so we’re delighted to have played our part in getting consumer voices heard at the table.

And switching will become much more likely once we can compare our pensions...

Value for money analysis

Data suggests that over a third of consumers switch car insurance annually. Why? Because it’s easy to compare different quotes and switching is easy. Well if transfers can be completed in 2 weeks, then what we are really missing is some value for money analysis that can help a consumer determine whether they are in the right product or not.

Propelled by the work of Chris Sier to standardise cost disclosures through the Financial Conduct Authority’s Institutional Disclosure Working Group, Henry Tapper is due to launch a pension comparison tool that I ultimately expect will be adopted by the likes of MoneySuperMarket and the other aggregators - where some 13 million consumers shop for financial products annually.

So if we can already see our pensions data online and we are less and less likely to accumulate pensions as time progresses, what will be the point of the Pensions Dashboards?

As the private sector steps up, the Pensions Dashboards is becoming less and less necessary

I suspect the Pensions Dashboards will ultimately propel all of the movements and technologies described above but let’s be clear: as the private sector steps up, the pensions dashboard is becoming less and less necessary to solve the pensions mess in the country. So hurry up, Mr. Opperman, before we all beat you to it.

What should the government do about the Pensions Dashboards?
Our CEO tells us what she we would do if she were in the DWP's shoes...

I recently had the pleasure of presenting at the Department of Work and Pensions (DWP) annual “Summer School”. Beyond talking about social media and pension engagement, it seems my blog on pension innovations that could make the dashboard irrelevant was quite popular. Of course we got onto talking about options for the dashboard and what would I do if I were in the DWP’s shoes. So I thought I would spell these views out publicly so that others can accept or quibble!

Please don’t build a dashboard

Just because not everyone can supply data on Day 1, does not mean that we should delay or abandon the project

There have been some desperate cries from various media outlets for the government not to “abandon” building a dashboard. Just to be clear: as far as I am aware, nobody has ever asked the government to build any sort of dashboard. The private sector is fully capable of building the technology to support people to see their pensions in one place. PensionBee is already facilitating live pension balances to our mutual Starling Bank customers and various other aggregators are rapidly following suit.

The government is poorly equipped and incentivised to maintain dashboard technology that the private sector is desperate to support. So what should the government help with?

Decide on the priorities

The objectives for the Pensions Dashboards are lofty and they include the following:

  • Reconcile people with lost pensions as much as possible (especially those who switch jobs frequently and have been auto-enrolled)
  • Help people see all their pensions in one place so they can plan for retirement
  • Create engagement around pension savings

Achieving all of the objectives is not possible because not all providers will be able to supply clean data on Day 1. But just because not everyone can supply data on Day 1, does not mean that we should delay or abandon the project. Rather, we need to achieve our priorities in order.

The obvious solution is to start with the first objective to reconcile people with “lost” pensions. These people will happily log in periodically to “find” their “lost” pensions as more providers join because it is a bit like finding free money. They do not need to see everything at once.

Decide who needs to supply data and when based on the priorities

To start with the first objective, the government should compel those who can give data to do so. These will typically be the newer auto-enrolment providers and their data will help reconcile job-switchers with their “lost” pensions. I don’t believe that DB pensions or the state pension need to be part of the launch phase – DB pensions and the State Pension are rarely if ever “lost”. In order to achieve the second objective, to help people see all their pensions in one place, the DWP should then give deadlines to those who must clean. Cleaning should not really be negotiable. Under GDPR requirements, all providers have an obligation to maintain clean customer data. It is not the customer’s problem if pension provider data is (horrifyingly) written down in excel spreadsheets. And finally, once the data is there, we can talk about ways to create engagement and set some parameters for the private sector.

In sum, I would be in favour of splitting providers into “groups”, starting with those who can supply data doing so in 2020 (let’s be ambitious, but also realistic) and staging the rest of the providers over 3 years. Providers can voluntarily choose which group they belong to, bearing in mind their choice reflects their priority to maintaining clean customer data.

Set the groundwork for the data standards, but don’t go reinventing (or in fact building) the wheel

At the end of the day pension data belongs to the consumer and the consumer should have the right to share their pension data with whomever they wish, subject to that person being responsible. This is the principle behind open banking that has required the UK’s major banks to make our data freely available to companies that hold the right permissions with the Financial Conduct Authority. To progress the technical standards behind open banking, the regulators created the Open Banking Implementation Entity (funded by the UK’s nine largest banks) to design the API specifications, security and messaging standards and guidelines for the participants. There is no reason that a similar body cannot exist for pensions.

So that’s it in my opinion. I don’t mean to trivialise what is clearly an important matter for consumers, but I do think it’s important to see the forest through the trees. So here’s to the DWP’s Feasibility Study – let’s hope it’s worth the wait.

We're celebrating 1,000 Trustpilot reviews!
Our CEO, Romi, discusses PensionBee achieving 1,000 Trustpilot reviews, and why this is an important milestone well worth celebrating.

Today I am honoured to let you know that we have achieved 1,000 Trustpilot reviews, cementing our 5-star average. Of all the milestones to celebrate, I want you to know why this one is so important to us here at PensionBee.

The fundamental thing that makes PensionBee different from all other pension providers is how much we care about our customers and giving you a fantastic experience. In 2014 we set out on a journey to help the U.K. look forward to a happy retirement by making pensions simple. To achieve this goal, we have enshrined the value of customer love in everything we do.

We don’t believe in taking shortcuts when it comes to customer service and that is why every single customer receives a personal BeeKeeper to guide them on their pension journey. However, you should know that every employee at PensionBee serves our customers in some way, and I have greatly enjoyed speaking to many of you on the phone and on livechat.

I would like to share what happens when we receive a review from you. Our entire company is immediately notified and your BeeKeeper is acknowledged. If the review is positive, great. However, if the review is negative or includes areas for improvement, our top priority is to respond, assess what went wrong and fix it. While there is little we can do about market fluctuations, rest assured that everything within our control is examined and addressed with immediate urgency.

We manage about half a billion pounds in pensions on your behalf and no doubt our biggest challenge will be to continue growing PensionBee while maintaining your satisfaction. We know there is a long way to go and lots more we can do to keep you happy. In addition to Trustpilot, we proactively seek your feedback on a weekly basis and we use your insights to inform everything from our internal processes to our future product releases.

Thank you for taking the time to tell us what you think. We are delighted to serve you!

Our current view on Pensions Dashboards
Our CEO, Romi, outlines the PensionBee position on Pensions Dashboards, ahead of joining The Pensions Dashboard Industry Delivery Group.

I’m happy to announce that today I will be joining The Pensions Dashboard Industry Delivery Group, giving consumers a louder voice in the creation of Pensions Dashboards. We’re looking forward to bringing our years of experience to the table, and we’ll be doing all we can to ensure the project is delivered successfully for the benefit of consumers.

At their foundation, our view is that the full vision of Pensions Dashboards must be delivered by two concurrent movements:

  • The creation of the Money and Pension Service’s “pension finder service”, which will effectively replace the government’s current pension finder service by providing more accurate and timely information to consumers
  • The furthering of the UK’s world-leading Open Finance system, which will extend Open Banking-like protocols to pensions, enabling consumers to share their data with trusted third-parties

Let’s start by running through some of our thoughts on the “pension finder service”.

We must deliver a pension finder service that’s fit for purpose

Above all else we believe that the pension finder service must be delivered swiftly and incrementally. Consumers cannot be kept waiting for decades for a “big bang” approach.

Sensible increments would include “year from” staging; for example all pensions established on or after 1 January, 2012 should be part of the first wave of compulsion. This rule achieves the benefit of incorporating the largest master trusts and other new providers who are most technologically prepared.

The State Pension should be included in the first wave

In addition, this approach also has the benefit of consumer familiarity, as consumers will be most able to recognise potential data gaps (rather than staging by pension scheme size, which would require consumers to be familiar with pension provider market shares).

As a result of staged compulsion, the State Pension should be included in the first wave. This should ensure that the majority of consumers have something positive to see on their first visit, and are encouraged to return. We also believe there should be no exemptions from compulsion, as the rules of exemption will be difficult for consumers to understand.

On a more technical level, the pension finder service should collect email addresses. Emails could then notify customers who opt-in to periodically check new data additions, so that they stay engaged.

Pensions Dashboards logins must use a digital ID standard

Elsewhere, Pensions Dashboards logins must use a digital ID standard that enables more than 8_personal_allowance_rate of the eligible population to log in on a first attempt. The government is currently consulting on a digital ID framework which must be adopted for the pension finder service. It would be wise for the Steering Group to develop a “Plan B” consisting of key authentication factors - name, address, national insurance number, date of birth - should the Digital ID not be available in time for a public launch.

Finally, the pension finder service should give the minimum useful information, so as not to delay the launch. This must include:

  • A policy number
  • Year-end balances
  • Charges in %
  • Charges in £ for the last 12 months
  • A link to the provider’s website where the consumer can obtain more information

This information, and in particular charges, are already consistent with the information pension providers are required to provide under current regulations.

Ultimately, the successful implementation of the pension finder is crucial to the success of any dashboard. However, it’s essential not to neglect the importance of Open Finance and data sharing.

Why Open Finance and data sharing have a big role to play

While the Pensions Dashboards will help consumers find their lost pensions, the vast majority of pensions are not lost and consumers need to be able to share their pension data safely and effectively, in predictable ways.

Many consumers are required to post their valuable financial information

As things stand, many consumers are required to post their valuable financial information around the country using “letters of authority” and “wet signatures”. These practices are inconsistent with modern behaviour and also potentially with the law. While the Money and Pension Service’s pension finder service is being enabled, so too will protocols for safe and efficient pension data sharing.

Thankfully, it is expected that Open Pensions (led by the Financial Conduct Authority’s work on Open Finance), and the pension finder service will converge over the next few years. We will support all efforts to align Open Pensions as closely as possible to Open Banking, so as to give consumers a consistent experience across financial products.

We will support all efforts to align Open Pensions as closely as possible to Open Banking

Consumers will wish to share data from the pension finder service directly from the major providers, and they should be allowed to share this data with trusted third-parties. From this lens, it is appropriate not to think of pension dashboards per se, but to think of pension dashboard services that are facilitated through data sharing.

Indeed, one does not necessarily need to display all of the data from the pension finder service in order to help a consumer and it is quite possible that data from the pension finder service will be used selectively.

For instance, if a comparison service for defined contribution pensions exists, it will not necessarily need to show all of the available information on a consumer’s public sector pensions. It is therefore important that the appropriate principles-based regulation exists, to ensure pension dashboard services are mitigating potential consumer detriment - without stifling the innovation consumers need to plan for retirement.

In our opinion, it is crucial that the major pension providers are required to electronically provide detailed pension information about their customers to trusted third-parties (as the pension finder service will only provide a minimal amount of information).

This information should include:

  • Balances
  • Charges in £ and %
  • Net contribution histories
  • Tax top up histories
  • Exit fees
  • Current Sedol / ISIN / Other investment codes
  • 5 year past performance of the relevant investment

While the ICO guidance and GDPR laws must be adhered to at all times, trusted third-parties must also be authorised and regulated to access this information by the Financial Conduct Authority, using existing permissions that enable access to banking data but delineating pensions as a separate product. It would be inconsistent with the current regulatory framework to require authorisation of banking information providers, but not of pension information providers. Stronger permissioning will also facilitate data storage, a requirement for the development of consumer-oriented services and indeed a requirement for many regulated activities.

Stronger permissioning will also facilitate data storage

Controlled testing of commercial dashboards will be essential, but it is equally important that dashboards and dashboard-associated services are allowed to evolve with consumer demand for assistance. Ultimately, if the pension industry can modernise our data sharing practices and the government can provide a pension finder that’s fit for purpose, we will have the foundations in place to deliver the full vision of the Pensions Dashboard.

The Pensions Dashboards ecosystem: protecting consumers and enabling innovation
Our CEO, Romi, outlines her thoughts on The Pensions Dashboards, and how it can deliver the safe and innovative ecosystem consumers deserve.

Pensions Dashboards have the potential to revolutionise consumers’ engagement with their pensions. By making clear where the £20 billion of lost pensions are, consumers will be empowered to take control of their money and better prepared to plan for retirement using convenient forecasting tools. Through open data, consumers will be able to integrate today’s money with tomorrow’s money, resulting in higher contributions and better retirement outcomes.

However, consumer innovation must be delivered responsibly and Pensions Dashboards will only thrive in an environment that provides the appropriate protection for consumers.

Following today’s publication of the Pension Schemes Bill, below are my thoughts on how to deliver the safe and innovative ecosystem consumers deserve.

Enable safe data sharing

The government has been clear that multiple Pensions Dashboards services will exist from the outset and therefore safe data sharing must be enabled from day one. The consumer owns their data and they will wish to share it. It is important that sharing is only permissible with trusted, authorised and regulated third parties. It is a myth that delaying so-called “commercial dashboards” will prevent the free flow of data. On the contrary, if we fail to consider, define and communicate data sharing protocols and expectations with consumers, any scammer will be legally allowed to scrape the data. Scammers thrive in the grey zone.

Appropriate authorisation

The Financial Conduct Authority has been tasked with defining the appropriate authorisation mechanisms. It would be a stark anomaly and an unprecedented regulatory arbitrage to require specific regulations to access banking data through Open Banking while allowing any form of regulated entity to access pension data. This loophole should not be allowed to exist and the Financial Conduct Authority should begin to engage on the matter with immediate urgency so as not to delay the launch of public dashboards.

Sufficient information

Appropriate information must be displayed on the dashboards to allow consumers to begin the process of pension planning. Our view is that the same information available on Simpler Annual Statements, with the addition of charges displayed in £ and %, will help consumers make the right decisions. Transparency is key and there should be no quibbles from the incumbents, as there are already regulations requiring them to make this information available.

Stronger reforms of non-workplace pensions

After seeing their pension information, consumers will wish to take control of their money and consolidation may well be an appropriate choice. Pensions Dashboards can and should exist in a world of well-governed defaults. The Financial Conduct Authority is currently consulting on defaults in non-workplace pensions. Mandating a single, well-governed, charge-capped default for each and every pension provider will help prevent and mitigate the very reasonable concern that consumers will exchange good workplace pensions for inferior and expensive products.

PensionBee writes to the Director of Corporate Governance at Legal & General
Our CEO, Romi Savova, writes an open letter to Sacha Sadan, Director of Corporate Governance at Legal & General.

Dear Sacha,

Thank you for taking the time to meet regarding Shell, a key holding in the Future World Plan, of which PensionBee, through its customers, represents one of the largest holdings.

We were delighted to onboard the Future World Plan in 2017, because as a company, we believe it is important to change the world by making your voice heard. I believe we can achieve so much more through activism than through pure divestment. I know that Legal & General also believes in the purpose of the plan to build a better future world.

The strength of the Future World Plan is through its engagement and through pressure to change the behaviour of major global companies, including the world’s biggest polluters. Consequently, we have celebrated in the successes of the plan, including Shell’s commitment to link carbon emissions to executive pay in 2018 and the divestment of ExxonMobil when it failed to engage with investors in June 2019.

However, I have recently become concerned about the ongoing inclusion of Shell in the top 10 holdings of the Future World Plan. If there is one thing I have learned over the last five years, it is to always listen to our customers and their concerns. While Shell has made some progress in the right direction, our customers are asking us on a daily basis whether Shell’s business model is sufficiently transitioning to a low carbon economy to warrant continued inclusion in this responsible investment plan.

The Guardian has recently reported that Shell is independently forecast to increase its carbon emissions by 38% by 2030, by increasing its crude oil production by more than half and its gas production by over a quarter. At the same time, it is widely understood that major oil companies must cut their carbon emissions by 35% in order to achieve the goals of the Paris Agreement. This is a puzzling situation and one that is compounded by Shell’s refusal to disclose its future production schedule and whether it is indeed on track to meet its global obligations.

I would be grateful if you could share your insights on this matter and whether you continue to believe that Shell will do the right thing by our planet. I would also be grateful if you could outline the tangible next steps we and our customers should expect from Shell that will demonstrate its commitment to the Paris Agreement and specifically to reducing carbon emissions as required.

In the interest of making sure our customers know their voice is being heard, I will publish this letter on Friday.

Kind regards,

Romi Savova

Chief Executive Officer of PensionBee

Celebrating 5 years of PensionBee
Our CEO, Romi, and our CTO, Jonathan, look back over everything that's happened at PensionBee over the past five years.

What a whirlwind! It’s been five years this week since PensionBee was born. It’s fair to say that this milestone has crept up on us rather quickly. We’ve enjoyed taking a look back through the PensionBee archives to see what’s been going on.

First and foremost, we have to thank our fabulous customers - who’ve been signing up in their thousands - and who trust us to make pensions simple and engaging. We’ve frequently chosen to feature our customers in our adverts, and it’s been great to bring their stories to a wider audience in the TV ads we launched this year. For those of you who haven’t seen our TV ads yet, you can hear from Tony and Lucille in these YouTube videos.

First and foremost, we have to thank our fabulous customers

Another huge thank you has to go to the equally wonderful PensionBee team. Helping our customers look forward to a happy retirement is the motivation to get up every day and do what they do, and we think they’ve been doing a damn fine job of it. We’re so proud of the team (there’s over 100 of us now!), and the incredible diversity they bring to PensionBee. Our team have a raft of secret lives, from Glastonbury rockstar (Matt, our Head of Design), to seafood entrepreneur (Nasrin, from our A-team), to political activist (Bat, in our tech team) and many more. We’ve built a lovely supportive culture based around our values that binds us together. Our Head of Operations, Tess, has been writing a blog series this year diving into each of the values and what it means to us.

2019 has been a big year in itself - we’ve launched three new pension plans, broke through _higher_rate_personal_savings_allowance million of assets under administration, and earned our 1,000th Trustpilot review, not to mention picking up a bevvy of awards. We’ve also made a whole raft of product improvements, including a new retirement planner, speeding up your tax top ups and withdrawals, and we became the first pension provider to adopt the new Simpler Annual Statement.

A great moment was when Romi put her headset on and became a BeeKeeper for a week in January.

Our CEO Romi answering a phone

This not only helped out the team during a busy time, but was a great experience talking to customers about their issues and learning how the PensionBee front line has changed.

We’ve also been absolutely delighted to welcome Michelle Cracknell onto our board of directors. Michelle joins us from The Pensions Advisory Service, and brings a wealth of experience understanding the problems savers face when it comes to their pensions.

An industry in transition

Looking back to when we started in 2014, it feels almost like a different time in the pensions industry. For one thing, the Pension Freedoms that allowed you to take money out of a pension from the age of 55 were not due to become active until the following April. Auto-Enrolment into workplace pensions had started, but had not reached past the larger employers. 2015 was arguably when UK savers had several reasons for taking an interest in their pensions for the first time in a long time.

The transfer process was often long, arduous and paper-based

This is when the problems in exerting consumer choice in pensions came to the fore: complex, expensive products, with high (and often hidden) management fees; and when you did find a product you liked, the transfer process was often long, arduous and paper-based. It’s no surprise that PensionBee’s first service - finding and combining your old pensions into a new, online plan - remains our most popular.

So what’s changed in that picture in five years? The pensions industry is changing, partly driven by the regulators mandating changes that help consumers, and partly by consumers moving to better products. The Pensions Dashboard is one of the major headlines, promising to centralise information about all your pension savings. We think that will make a huge difference, but it’s still a few years away (Romi’s recent appointment to the Steering Group will surely help…).

In the meantime, 2018’s Open Banking has welcomed pensions under its wider Open Finance umbrella, and the introduction of GDPR in the same year is a further push towards digitisation and a consumer-centred business. Fees have come down a lot - the regulator introducing a 0.75% fee cap on the default funds of Auto-Enrolment pensions in 2015 has had a big impact on people’s expectations, and many other schemes have brought costs down in an effort to win over newly engaged savers.

There’s still a long way to go to make the industry digital by default

We’ve seen increased adoption of digital pension transfers, and an improvement in the average transfer time (remember it used to take longer to transfer a pension than to travel to Mars?). But in a world where PensionBee needs four robots to sign letters with a fountain pen in order to save our customers the hassle, there’s still a long way to go to make the industry digital by default.

Any story of the last five years in the pension industry would not be complete without mentioning the rise in interest in the Environmental, Social and Governance (ESG) sector of investment. ESG has grown from nowhere in the mid 2000s to be a major investment category, and the increasing global awareness of climate change is fueling further growth. PensionBee introduced the Future World Plan in 2017 in response to rising demand for a greener pension. We continue to hear demands for greater transparency and social impact, and we’re excited about the direction this is going and how we can help our customers use their savings to make an impact.

So, what’s next?

It seems appropriate to close by thinking about the next five years - what will pensions feel like by 2024? We know there are some significant challenges here - the average pension is still a world away from the slick, modern financial services we’ve all become accustomed to on our phone apps and online. There is a long way to go to deliver real transparency in fees and investments. But we’re really excited by the prospect of being able to lead the charge here, and we’re grateful to all our customers for giving us the honest feedback we need to understand what you need.

On that note, we’ve had a lot of those customers tell us that when it comes to taking money out of a pension, it still feels clunky and old-fashioned. So we asked them to tell us what a pension would be like if it were as easy to use as a bank account, we listened, and then we got building. Stay tuned in 2020…

To all our customers, the wonderful PensionBee team and the investors and supporters who have got us through the ups and downs of the last five years - a huge thank you and here’s to the next!

Thank you, from Jonathan and Romi.

Jonathan and Romi sat in front of the PensionBee logo

The next step in our journey
This Saturday, 14 November, we were delighted to share our exciting news that PensionBee is seeking a listing on the London Stock Exchange.

This Saturday, 14 November, we were delighted to share our exciting news that PensionBee is seeking a listing on the London Stock Exchange.

A listing is the natural next step in our development, and we are very excited by the potential that comes with being a public company. It will allow us to vigorously keep pursuing our vision: to live in a world where everyone can look forward to a happy retirement.

As with any significant event in the company’s development, we aim to keep our customers close on the journey.

Why are we exploring a listing of PensionBee?

PensionBee has always envisaged making the transition from being a private company to a public one. A listing on the London Stock Exchange will increase the profile of PensionBee and enable us to access capital, which we will invest in continuing to grow the business. Through the public listing process itself, we will reach even more people with our transformative personal pension.

As a company that maintains the highest standards of governance, including a Board that consists of predominantly independent directors, we already meet many of the stringent requirements placed on public companies. PensionBee recently announced the appointment of Mary Francis CBE as our Senior Independent Director. Mary’s impressive background includes non-executive roles at the Bank of England and Barclays among many other publicly listed companies. Our Chairman, Mark Wood CBE, has been with the business for many years.

PensionBee’s growth to date has been stellar. With over £1.2 billion in assets under administration on behalf of over 65,000 invested customers as well as the pipeline of new pension assets we expect from our 115,000 active customers, we know we are on track to helping millions of people achieve the retirement they want.

How and when will PensionBee list?

PensionBee is exploring a listing on the High Growth Segment of the London Stock Exchange’s Main Market. The High Growth Segment is exclusively designed for rapidly growing companies. The only British company to have listed there is Just Eat, and we hope that we spark a strong trend of exciting companies deciding to take advantage of the High Growth Segment. We’ve been really encouraged and welcome the support we have received from the London Stock Exchange so far. While we considered alternative venues, PensionBee is ultimately a British company and we will be proud to be a London listed company.

We are currently in the preparatory phases of planning and once this phase is finalised, it is likely that the listing is completed in the next 12-18 months, market conditions permitting.

What does a listing mean for our customers?

It’s “business as usual” at PensionBee and we continue to work hard at developing and delivering the UK’s most loved pension product. To that end, we have a robust plan of new feature launches, including most recently our Fossil Fuel Free Plan, created specifically following requests from our customers.

Of course, with such a significant corporate milestone underway and our unmatched commitment to PensionBee savers, we will explore offering our customers an opportunity to participate in the listing itself. We will share more information on this process at the appropriate time, but we want to be clear that a company built for our customers can also be owned by our customers.

Stay safe and wish you all a wonderful week ahead.

Becoming a publicly listed company
On Monday 26 April we were delighted to be admitted to the High Growth Segment of the Main Market of the London Stock Exchange.

Today, on Monday 26 April, we were delighted to be admitted to the High Growth Segment of the Main Market of the London Stock Exchange (PBEE). The High Growth Segment is exclusively designed for rapidly growing companies, such as PensionBee, to raise capital and to use the public market as a platform for future growth.

Back in November we announced our desire to become a public company, however the journey to this special moment truly started back in 2014 when PensionBee was founded as a result of my own poor pension experience. Becoming a publicly listed company has long been part of our strategy to be the best universal online pension provider, and we’re extremely proud to have reached this significant milestone.

Our IPO marks the culmination of seven years of hard work, and I’d like to thank my dedicated and talented colleagues for not only making this happen, but for the dedication they show to helping our customers each and every day.

I’d also like to thank our wonderful customers who are at the heart of all we do. We were thrilled that so many of you wanted to take part in this phase of our growth and applied for shares in our customer offer. We warmly welcome all of our new investors as important stakeholders in our business.

What happens next?

While it’s “business as usual” at PensionBee, our IPO will allow us to continue to grow rapidly and innovate. In practice, this means that the money we’ve raised will be used to fuel advertising and marketing initiatives so that we can help millions of people look forward to a happy retirement.

Our growth to date has been significant. As at 31 March 2021, PensionBee counted 137,000 active customers from 18-80 years of age, with c.£1.65 billion in assets under administration.

We’ll also be investing in our technology platform capabilities and enhancing our product. We have lots of new features and product innovations on our roadmap, and are excited to share them with you in due course.

Our commitment is, and always will be, to put our customers first, and we’ll continue using our voice to make positive changes in the pensions industry.

Today’s achievement is testament to our excellent track record and the strength of the opportunity that lies ahead. We look forward to thriving as a public company and embarking on the next step of our journey.

Fast fashion goes out of style for female pension savers
Our CEO, Romi Savova, discusses how socially conscious women are turning their back on the fast fashion industry.

Fast fashion retailers have made their name by offering shoppers a chance to keep up with the latest trends, at the lowest possible prices. Whether it be traditional high-street staples, such as Primark, or the new wave of online retailers, such as boohoo, the fast fashion industry has spent decades courting young female customers. Yet it seems the love affair is over, as young socially conscious women are turning their back on the industry.

At PensionBee, we believe in regularly surveying our customers to ensure our product continues to be aligned with the changing investment expectations of British savers. So earlier this year, we asked our customers their views on various industries their pensions were invested in.

We discovered that a majority of our customers have a strong distrust of the fast fashion industry. Not only do they believe it’s detrimental to society, but they don’t want to invest in fast fashion companies via their pension. This view was most prominent among female customers aged 30 and under (82%) despite the industry’s clear focus on this demographic.

So what’s driven this significant shift in opinion? Well increased education and understanding around the damage caused by unsustainable industries for one. A 2019 House of Commons report revealed that global textile production produces an estimated 1.2 billion tonnes of CO2 equivalent per year - more than international aviation and maritime shipping combined. The global fashion industry is also said to consume an estimated 79 billion cubic metres of fresh water annually. With the UK, sending an estimated £140 million worth of clothing to landfill each year.

These shocking statistics certainly seem to underpin this growing interest in sustainable living, and demand for sustainable investment options to match. Additional PensionBee research revealed that 94% of adults are taking steps to live more sustainable lifestyles - whether this be eating less meat, recycling or taking public transport. But even more encouragingly, this view is being widely applied to pension saving, with almost half of respondents (_scot_top_rate) preferring that their pension be invested sustainably to help drive positive change. In addition, 29% reported that they would change where their pensions are invested if it was unsustainable, and almost a quarter (24%) of young people (aged 18-34) felt so strongly that they would actively encourage others to leave that pension fund.

The industry’s association with labour exploitation in unsafe working conditions, is another component of its negative relationship with pension savers. PensionBee’s data shows that savers across all age groups and genders prioritise action on companies that treat workers unfairly, with 33% wishing to divest from companies that don’t pay the Living Wage to all of their workers.

So undoubtedly there’s a united desire to live more sustainably, with individuals making conscious decisions in their everyday lives to achieve this. More and more savers are beginning to recognise their investment power to transform the world they live in - for the better of the planet, society and their retirement.

The message from savers is loud and clear. They want fair and sustainable businesses in their pensions who will offer positive contributions for society, and subsequently provide longer-term returns.

Risk warning

As always with investments, your capital is at risk. The value of your investment can go down as well as up, and you may get back less than you invest. This information should not be regarded as financial advice.

How can we improve the environment for female entrepreneurs in the UK?
In the UK, only one in three entrepreneurs are women and while there is a growing recognition that disparities exist between male and female entrepreneurs, it is a problem that has been going on far too long.

Despite pensions being one of the most complicated financial products to engage with, the most common question I get asked as the CEO of PensionBee is not to do with pensions, but instead my experience as a female founder.

In the UK, only one in three entrepreneurs are women and while there is a growing recognition that disparities exist between male and female entrepreneurs, it is a problem that has been going on far too long, preventing the UK economy from achieving approximately £250bn in growth.

When you look at the number of female CEOs of listed companies over the years, the situation is dire and progress has been unforgivably slow. Women do not lack the ability or desire to start and grow their own businesses, but yet they all face the same obstacle - funding. The Rose Review of Female Entrepreneurship found that female-led businesses receive less funding than businesses led by men at ‘every stage of the journey’.

This is a complex problem where, on average, women launch businesses with less capital than men and are likely to have less access to funding options as well as sponsors, mentors or professional support. In addition, venture capital (VC) funding is disproportionately invested by male investors into businesses led by men, accounting for female founders receiving less than 1% of all VC funding. Ultimately, this pattern leaves female founders starved of capital during critical points such as starting and scaling their business, meaning the circle of exclusion continues.

Recently, I was invited to an MP’s dinner to discuss how we can improve the environment for female entrepreneurs in the UK. There’s been a lot of talk about wanting to fix things, but this needs to translate into real figures. I strongly believe the only way to achieve true gender parity is to set targets now.

The Financial Conduct Authority recently mandated that listed companies have to disclose targets on the representation of women and ethnic minorities on their board and executive management, making it easier for investors to see the diversity of their senior leadership team. If a company cannot meet these targets, they need to explain why. I gladly welcome these new requirements, and would like to see them go even further. It’s time for private markets and large VC funds to face the same demands, disclosing diversity ratios annually in their partnerships and portfolios.

Similarly, while the government recently announced the launch of its new taskforce, dedicated to boosting the number of women starting fast-growing companies, funding beyond specific ‘female schemes’ has often been unfairly distributed. It was reported that just over 1% of all funding from the Future Fund - the government’s start-up rescue package during the pandemic - went to teams led by women. In comparison, around _basic_rate went to companies led entirely by men and the remainder was for those with mixed gender teams. If we are to truly tackle the funding barrier, government funding programs need to lead by example.

Finally, not only should pay gap reporting be a mandatory ask for any company operating in the UK, but public targets should also be necessary for all reporting companies. The gender pay gap is almost exclusively framed as an issue women should be solving themselves, and while there are actions women can take to fight the cause, solely placing the burden on the recipient of the problem is neither effective, nor fair. Equal pay for equal work is fundamentally the best way to ensure that we can build a strong pipeline of female talent in our economy, while public targets will help ensure a level playing field for future generations of female entrepreneurs.

What you need to know about pensions right now
Our CEO, Romi Savova, discusses what savers need to know in an uncertain pension environment.

Pensions have been in the news a lot lately. This is a time of great national anxiety and retirement worries can become especially pronounced when we witness economic turmoil and disruption around us. I’ve had the opportunity to discuss the latest developments with some of our customers and thought I’d share my thoughts here in case they’re useful to others. In sum, this has been a rocky time in financial markets, but there are opportunities for savers to enhance their future retirement readiness and strategies to help mitigate some of the negative effects of the external economic environment on pension pots today.

First of all, let me mention that the majority of newsflow at the moment is focused on defined benefit pensions, which reflect the promise of an employer to pay a final salary to former employees. Because of an array of accounting rules and associated investment strategies, many of these pension schemes have engaged in complex derivatives that are generating a need for them to sell assets, such as bonds and equities, in order to meet the collateral calls of their trading counterparties. The Bank of England has had to support pension funds by buying these assets. In short, while the situation sounds precarious and indeed may be for some of the institutions involved, the current consensus view is that there is little additional risk to the actual pensions that pensioners are receiving or may receive because ultimately the promise of the employer is intact and even if the employer’s promise falters, the Pension Protection Fund stands ready to step in.

While there is little direct impact on defined contribution pensions, such as the PensionBee Personal Pension, financial markets are interlinked and the chaos in the defined benefit pensions market has rattled global capital markets, which do indeed affect defined contribution pensions. This year has been particularly challenging for equities, bonds and the pound owing to interest rate tightening and the war in Ukraine, all of which would have contributed to declining pension balances with all pension providers in the country. Indeed, the only way to have avoided a balance drop this year would have been to invest in some combination of cash and commodities, an unlikely and highly risky approach to pension investment. Commodities are known to be volatile investments and cash itself would likely have had a negative real return after the effects of persistently high inflation in 2022. While poor pension performance across the whole country is likely to be of little consolation to those nearing retirement, it’s important to recognise that these types of economic environments, and their consequent impact on pensions, generally cannot be avoided. On the contrary, they’re considered to be a part of pension investments and one of the reasons why pensions have long-term returns of about 7% per year. Eventually markets will recover.

So given the current situation, what can and should you do? Well that depends. If you’re far from retirement and still mid-career, generally speaking, the accepted approach is to ride it out. If you’re closer to retirement and can even withdraw your pension, you may be wondering whether it’s better to simply take your pension money out and put it in the bank, thereby avoiding the losses of any additional market drops. That is usually not a good idea because you will ‘lock in’ your loss and miss out on the eventual market recovery. If you can wait until the recovery, your pension may be better served. You may also wonder whether you should switch plans, perhaps moving to a cash-like, lower risk plan. Again, this is a personal decision, but it’s important to consider that a loss is likely to be locked in and a lower risk plan will usually come with lower returns (that is why it’s a lower risk plan). If you must withdraw from your pension plan, it’s considered good practice to withdraw as little as possible so as to leave as much invested to take advantage of the eventual recovery. In the meantime, it’s important to be aware that markets could fall further, so you must be comfortable with your decision.

Finally, you should consider whether you can increase your pension contributions. It may seem counterintuitive, but in periods of downturn markets are often referred to as being ‘on sale’. Because markets tend to recover over the long-term, this may be an opportunity to invest in your retirement while prices are low and take advantage of the subsequent recovery. How long that may take is still unknown, but bear markets do occur throughout history and you can consider some analysis on averages and extremes.

Pension decisions are personal and this commentary should not be regarded as advice, but it’s in line with the guidance provided to pension companies by the Financial Conduct Authority during times of downturn. Take the time to think about which approach works best for you and to map out a financial plan that matches your expenditure, your opportunity to save and your pension withdrawals (if you’re able to make them). If you are over 50, speak to Pension Wise. As always, we at PensionBee are here to support our customers.

Risk warning

As always with investments, your capital is at risk. The value of your investment can go down as well as up, and you may get back less than you invest. This information should not be regarded as financial advice.

Our journey to one million Registered Customers
Our CEO, Romi Savova, discusses PensionBee's journey to a million Registered Customers.

Back in 2014 when I founded PensionBee, after a negative experience trying to move my own pension after changing jobs, the pensions industry was a mess. Archaic systems, excessive fees, and complex paperwork were the ‘norm’. For some providers they still are, even eight years later.

Our mission’s to make pensions simple so everyone can save for a happy retirement, and we’ve been laser-focused on that goal ever since. Reaching the milestone of one million Registered Customers is quite an achievement, which wouldn’t have been possible without the ongoing support and trust of our wonderful customers.

We’re listening to our eco conscious savers like Hannah

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Hannah, PensionBee customer since 2020.

Regularly surveying our customers and championing their voices in the pensions industry is a key part of PensionBee’s work. So when in early 2020 customers in the Future World Plan began sharing their concerns about climate change with us, we welcomed their feedback. In response we made it our mission to build a pension that balances saving for retirement while excluding fossil fuel producers, launching our Fossil Fuel Free Plan in December 2020. It invests in over 1,400 global companies and is one of the first mainstream funds of its kind to completely exclude firms with proven or probable reserves of oil, gas or coal, as well as tobacco companies, manufacturers of controversial weapons and persistent violators of the UN Global Compact.

In July 2021, we invited customers in the plan to share their views again on the current exclusion policy and learned that most expressed a strong interest in developing the impact of th addressing the world’s great social and environmental problems, allowing savers to use their pensions to invest in companies that have measurable, positive environmental and/or social outcomes.

We’re proud to champion sustainable investing as the future of engagement in pensions, and wholeheartedly believe that everyone should have the optie plan further. In response, we again scoured the market for a suitable product and couldn’t find one. Designed in collaboration with BlackRock, our new Impact Plan invests exclusively in companieson to use their investment for good - transforming the planet, society and their retirement for the better.

We’re innovating for our retired customers like Andrew

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Andrew, PensionBee customer since 2019.

We’re constantly innovating and setting new standards of transparency and convenience in an industry that hasn’t adapted with advances in technology and consumer behaviour in decades. We’ve found a way to connect with a generation that has long been forgotten by the legacy providers, by creating a product that gives people a sense of optimism about their future, as they know they are saving regularly for the retirement they expect and deserve.

According to the Pensions and Lifetime Savings Association (PLSA), 77% of savers don’t know how much they’ll need in retirement. In 2018 we became the first pension provider to utilise Open Banking, enabling customers to see their complete financial position, with their live pension balance displayed alongside their live current account balance in some of the UK’s most popular money management apps.

As over 69% of our invested customers have installed our mobile app, we’ve made several updates to make it even easier to manage your retirement income from your phone. These include our 60-second ‘Easy bank transfer‘ contribution feature, personalised tax codes for withdrawing customers and a highly detailed transfer tracker.

Earlier this year we were excited to bring the withdrawal feature to our mobile app. When the time comes to start withdrawing from your pension it should be simple and stress-free. That’s why this year, we’ve launched our regular withdrawals feature to do just that. Customers like Andrew can now request a withdrawal so that they can receive a monthly payment on a selected date, without needing to make a request each month.

We’re simplifying pensions for our self-employed customers like Mary

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Mary, PensionBee customer since 2021.

The self-employed have long been underserved by the pensions industry and without the benefits of Auto-Enrolment, this group is significantly disadvantaged when it comes to saving for retirement. Just 16% of self-employed workers pay into a pension, causing millions to retire without adequate savings.

In January 2021, we launched a flexible product for self-employed customers, enabling them to start a new pension with no minimum contributions. Self-employed customers can make one-off or regular contributions via bank transfer online or via the PensionBee app, from personal or business bank accounts, as a sole trader or a limited company respectively.

We’re championing the needs of our customers

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Zahid, PensionBee customer since 2021.

We put our customers at the heart of everything we do. Now, with more than a million Registered Customers putting their trust in us and over £3 billion in Assets under Administration from our Invested Customers, we’re continuing to champion their calls for a simpler, accessible pension landscape.

The industry urgently needs to innovate so that consumers can enjoy the same basic switching rights, as seen in other essential services and utilities. Legislating for a 10-day pension switch guarantee is an essential next step to help build trust and drive better engagement with pension saving, particularly in today’s tough economic climate.

In this day and age, no consumer should be prevented from switching pension providers due to lengthy transfer times from outdated paper processes. The technology to simplify pension saving exists, and all providers must utilise it, so that everyone can take charge of their pension savings and look forward to a happy retirement.

We’re very proud of our work empowering savers to take control of their finances. We look forward to continuing to listen to the needs of our customers, to championing their voices. We’re here to help savers take control of their savings with the introduction of new tools, uniquely designed to help navigate high inflation and complicated tax rules, to help them better plan their retirement savings.

We’re campaigning for a better pensions industry for everyone. We look forward to working with the government, the industry and all stakeholders to ensure that the pensions industry continues to evolve to meet the changing needs and desires of consumers. As this milestone shows, consumers are aching for a pension industry that works for them.

Notes

1. Registered Customers are PensionBee customers who have started the sign up process and have submitted at least a name and an email address.

2. Invested Customers are customers with an account that holds pension assets in PensionBee plans.

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E11: How to prepare for a happy retirement with Faith Archer, Mark Smith and Priyal Kanabar

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This article was last updated on 12/01/2023

The following’s a transcript of our monthly podcast, The Pension Confident Podcast. Listen to episode 11, watch on YouTube or scroll on to read the conversation.

PHILIPPA: Welcome back to The Pension Confident Podcast with me, Philippa Lamb. This month we’ve got a question for you, what does a happy retirement look like?

The good news is that we’re living longer than we used to. When Queen Elizabeth was born in 1926, average life expectancy for women was just 62. Now it’s 83, so most of us can look forward to around 20 years of retirement or even longer. But what is retirement nowadays?

Well, it might be stopping work completely or working part-time, volunteering maybe, or even starting your own business. So, today we’re going to look at visualising your ideal retirement and the financial and lifestyle steps to make it a reality.

We’ve got three guests here today, Financial Journalist and Founder of Much More With Less, Faith Archer.

Hello Faith.

FAITH: Hello.

PHILIPPA: Mark Smith’s in the studio too. He’s Head of Media Relations at the Pensions and Lifetime Savings Association. That’s the PLSA. Hello Mark.

MARK: Hello.

PHILIPPA: And lastly, PensionBee‘s Senior Engagement Manager, Priyal Kanabar.

Priyal spends a lot of her time talking to customers about their ideal retirement, so she’s the perfect person for today’s discussion. Hello Priyal.

PRIYAL: Hello.

PHILIPPA: Before we start, please remember, anything discussed on this podcast shouldn’t be regarded as financial advice and when investing, your capital is at risk.

What could retirement look like?

Now, I know everyone around the table is used to talking to everyone else about their pensions and retirement, but I’m intrigued to know about your own plans. Mark, have you got a vision of your retirement years?

MARK: Yeah, I suppose I have. I’m 35, so hopefully retirement’s still a long way away. But I’ve got this fantasy of retiring early, perhaps going down to part-time work at some point as I get older. Maybe money’s less of a worry as I get older. And getting some space in the country somewhere, I know my partner would love to have some animals. So, just winding down and doing something like that.

PHILIPPA: You’ve got it all worked out. What sort of age are you thinking?

MARK: Oh, as soon as I can afford it.

PHILIPPA: Really?

MARK: Tomorrow if I can afford it. I absolutely can’t afford it tomorrow, but I want to be done working. I want to have the option to choose when I work, not have to work.

PHILIPPA: Okay. I think we’re clear about what Mark wants. Priyal, have you got an idea?

PRIYAL: It’s actually the opposite of Mark. I love working and I can’t see myself not working, especially for around 20 years in retirement. And I want to feel financially secure and I want to spend lots of time with people that I love.

PHILIPPA: This sounds like a packed program, Priyal. That’s all I’m saying, there’s only so many hours in the day! Faith, tell me.

FAITH: I think in some ways I don’t see my retirement as being too different from the life I lead right now. We’ve already moved out to the country, I’m self-employed and I think I’ve got quite a good balance between work and my own time and I enjoy what I do. I’m not sure I want to quit it completely. But the big thing I would love to do more of is travelling. It’s something that my husband and I used to do a lot of pre-kids. And obviously with the pandemic, that’s been reigned in massively. So I think carving out more time, hopefully if we’ve got enough money, to go travelling.

PHILIPPA: I’m on exactly the same page as you about that, working and travelling. Yeah, it’s a lovely combination, isn’t it?

Now look, Priyal, as I said, part of your role at PensionBee is talking to customers about their pensions and their retirement ambitions. What sort of things do they tell you that they want to do?

PRIYAL: Yeah, I’m very lucky. I get to spend a lot of my time talking to our amazing customers and it’s really interesting. A lot of them say they can’t imagine stopping work, but they want to focus on work that they have more passion for. So, Dermott’s a customer in his 40s, and he’s from Zimbabwe. And he’d love to open up a shop where he can sell Zimbabwean food and not run it for a profit, but just to benefit his community by bringing them the food. And another customer, Joe, recently retired early as he was kind of on the cusp of his 60s, and he married his wife at that time. He’s known her for 25 years, they got married and they’ve got lots of travels planned for their retirement.

So, I hear a variety of stories and I think what’s common is that all the customers hope to be very financially secure so that they can do what they dream of doing.

PHILIPPA: Yeah, would it be fair to say, I mean our expectations have grown, haven’t they, as our standards of living have grown over the years? And we don’t just want to get by in later life. I think most of us want to enjoy ourselves, don’t we? We’ve all said it around the table, our plans aren’t going to be that cheap are they?

PRIYAL: I think it varies. In some ways, we’ve got higher expectations and enjoy a higher quality of life. And certainly people of the boomer generation are very lucky because they were able to benefit from house price inflation, wage growth, and defined benefit pensions. Not all of them, but more so than millennials, which is my generation. I’m 31.

Whereas for my generation, we’re worried about the housing crisis and wage stagnation. So I think a lot of us are worried about whether we can even afford to have a retirement.

How to plan and save for that happy retirement

PHILIPPA: Mark. Let’s think about when people can retire. Because, you said you want to retire as soon as you can. Largely there’s no mandatory retirement age for most people nowadays, is there? So it’s kind of different to how it used to be. But there are rules, aren’t there? About when you can claim State Pension, when you can access your personal and workplace pensions. What are they?

MARK: Yeah, that’s right. I think that kind of carriage clock retirement where you work in that one job - the only job you’ve ever had, for the rest of your life - and then you get given a carriage clock and sent on your way with your gold plated final salary pension, those days are probably behind us.

PHILIPPA: That’s my parents’ generation. Yes, a long time ago.

MARK: Mine too. Yeah, you’re right. Most of us won’t be so lucky. But most people, I think, will probably be in a position that think they might be able to afford to retire when they get the State Pension. If they are eligible for it, the State Pension still makes up a really big proportion of most people’s retirement income, when they get to that retirement age. To be eligible to claim the basic State Pension, you’ll need 10 qualifying years of National Insurance contributions and for the full State Pension, you’ll need 35 qualifying years of National Insurance contributions.

PHILIPPA: Just remind us how much it is nowadays?

MARK: The full State Pension is £9,627.80 per year, which is £185.15 per week (2022/23). Following the Autumn Statement on 17 November, this is rising in line with inflation in April 2023 to £10,600 per year, which is £203.85 per week. Depending on what age you are now, you can take it between the ages of 66 and 68 - currently you can take it at 66, by 2028 this will rise to 67, and by 2037 this will rise to 68. But of course, you can flexibly take some of your private pension and your workplace pension when you get to the age of 55 (rising to 57 by 2028).

But there are lots of rules governing when you start accessing that, and then you’re limited to how much you can contribute to your pension afterwards. So you need to think really, really carefully before you start accessing that, because it does sort of change your circumstances quite drastically. But it’s quite common for people to start accessing some of that and moving to part-time, perhaps trying retirement out in a sense, and using that to supplement their income that they’re getting from whatever work they’re doing.

PHILIPPA: I mean Faith, if people are visualising their later life and when they might want to retire, have we got a shopping list of a few things they should be thinking about for sure?

FAITH: When it comes to planning your retirement and how you’re going to fund it, there’s a whole bunch of factors that you have to weigh up.

So, some of it’s when you start your retirement. So what age you’re going to retire, if you’re going to work part-time or if you’re going to stop completely. You’re also thinking about your life expectancy. I don’t know exactly when I’m going to die, but you can certainly kind of estimate how long your money’s going to need to stretch. You can toggle around with what income you can take - because if you take more income earlier rather than later, there’s more chance of running out of it.

And then there’s a whole range of factors that will impact you. Depending on how you take your money in retirement, what the stock market does, what inflation does, if you’re going to have to cope with rising prices, how the tax is going to be taken off your pension. And also thinking later on, whether you want to leave any money to your children.

PHILIPPA: So the whole thing can seem quite overwhelming, there’s quite a lot to think about?

FAITH: Definitely.

PHILIPPA: But handily, Priyal, I’ve been on the PensionBee website. There are a lot of tools and tips on there, aren’t there? Do you want to run us through what’s there?

PRIYAL: Yeah, a first powerful step is using the pension calculator you can use the sliders to put in when you want to retire, at what age, what income you expect to receive, how much you’re currently paying in, and how much you already have. And that can help you work out how much you need to pay in every month. Now, it’s not that the first time you log in you’re going to have the perfect plan, but it’s a process and it’s a habit, and getting into that habit can help you plan and save.

PHILIPPA: It’s a bit of a self education process, isn’t it? So it struck me when I went onto the site, as you said, there’s loads there. There’s the Pension Academy video series, there’s blogs and what struck me was that there’s really basic things on there. So, if you know nothing about pensions, you can go there and just start to understand what this is all about. You don’t need to know anything?

PRIYAL: Exactly.

PHILIPPA: The main thing is to start.

PRIYAL You can find our pension calculator. You just need to type into Google - PensionBee pension calculator. It’s amazing hearing customers say that the transformation, the level of confidence, that they develop through engaging with the content on the website. And we’ve really been focused on creating as simple an experience as we can because we feel that’s the way to help people develop that confidence. Pensions tend to be way too complicated and they really don’t need to be.

PHILIPPA: So Mark, let’s get down to the harder things. Most of us underestimate how much money we’re going to need, don’t we?

MARK: Yeah, I mean, working out how much you need is really, really difficult. When you ask anybody now, I mean how much do you spend in the average year now? I mean, most people won’t be able to answer that question. It’s a really difficult thing to work out.

In recognising this kind of shortcoming, in people being able to understand this stuff, the Pensions and Lifetime Savings Association, a few years ago, developed the Retirement Living Standards. Now when I joined the PLSA, these things were still under construction and I was really excited to get my teeth into them as someone whose job is to communicate complicated, sometimes confusing information about pensions to savers, I really sensed that these would really be able to bring things to life.

PHILIPPA: Yeah, these are really nice because they’re really understandable. Tell everyone how they work.

MARK: So they’re based on goods and services that people would typically buy or use when they’re retired and they’re pitched at three different levels - minimum, moderate and comfortable.

And they allow you to go on and have a look at the types of things that you might be able to enjoy doing at three different income levels. So the annual budget for the minimum standard is £12,800 for a single person, and £19,900 for a couple. And that’s going to include a week’s holiday in the UK, eating out about once a month and some affordable leisure activities about twice a week. But, on the other hand it’s probably not gonna include the budget to run a car. Now that level through the combination of a full State Pension, and normal Auto Enrolment that you would get in your workplace pension, that level should be very achievable for most people. We projected about three quarters of single employees are likely to achieve that level. Everyone who’s in a couple should be able to reach that because they are likely to share their costs.

PHILIPPA: Okay, so that would be a comfortable minimum. And if people felt they wanted to have a bit more wriggle room to enjoy themselves, what’s the next level up?

MARK: A bit more? So the moderate standard is £23,300 for a single person, and £34,000 for a couple. Now in addition to the minimum lifestyle, that’s gonna provide a little bit more financial security and more flexibility. For example, you could have a two week holiday, perhaps in Europe, and you’re going to be able to eat out a few times a month rather than just once a month. So a bit of a nicer lifestyle, but not shooting the lights out.

Not luxury, by any stretch of the imagination.

PHILIPPA: Yeah. And higher up?

MARK: And higher up, what we call the comfortable retirement living standard. Now I think this is probably really quite luxurious indeed. So you expect to enjoy regular beauty treatments, and theatre trips, and three week holidays to Europe, perhaps twice a year. Now this isn’t something that everybody’s going to want to be able to do in retirement. But at that level, it’s going to be £37,300 for a single person and £54,500 for a couple. So you can already see this is already reaching quite a luxurious standard.

Now, I should point out that these figures, because we want to keep them as universal as possible and as easy to understand as possible, they don’t include housing costs. So at the moment when people retire, still, most people would’ve paid off their mortgage and are likely to own their own home. But of course, societal trends are changing. So if you think you’re going to be renting at that point, you need to take that into account. Of course it’d be impossible for us to say the amount. That varies from county to county. So it’s really difficult for us to include that. So we’ve kept it as simple as we can.

There’s too much complication in pensions communications, I think, as it is. So housing’s kept out of it for now.

PHILIPPA: But useful, to kind of give you a sense of how much money you might need. I mean Priyal, you alluded to this earlier, what are your customers saying about their financial worries? It’s a tricky time. Are people worrying more than they did, that they won’t be able to save enough for retirement?

PRIYAL: Yeah, I mean we already saw high levels of consumer debt amongst people who are approaching retirement age. Another thing that I’m very aware of is the gender pension gap. Women tend to have different working patterns in terms of paid employment and tend to be assigned the main kind of care role.

PHILIPPA: Yeah. Childcare and healthcare. We talked about this on the podcast before actually, the gender pension gap. It’s significant, isn’t it?

PRIYAL: It really is. And while society’s attitudes have moved on and are much more in favour of gender equality, with women being appreciated in the workplace, many policies haven’t moved on. But yes, I’ve spoken to many women who are worried about the time they’ve had outside of employment, doing unpaid care work.

PHILIPPA: And they haven’t been contributing to their pension?

PRIYAL: Yes. And they’re looking at their pension pot when they’re 50. And often when they’re around that age, they also get assigned the care work for elderly relatives. So that has an impact on their pensions. So that’s a concern. Another concern is the cost of living crisis. People who are at an age where they want to make massive contributions into their pensions because they’re approaching retirement, maybe in their late 40s, early 50s and they can’t because of the pressures of the current crisis. And then we also have a growing number of people who can’t afford to buy their own home. So yes, many concerns.

PHILIPPA: I mean Faith, we’ve been talking about various different sorts of pensions. I’m thinking we should probably actually just run through the main ones. Can you give us a translation on what the State Pension is? Not everyone knows what that is. What is it?

FAITH: The State Pension is money you get from the government provided that you’ve made National Insurance contributions which are paid out of your salary, or your income if you’re Self-Employed. You need to rack up a certain number of full years of National Insurance contributions to qualify for a full State Pension. It’s currently 35 years for the full State Pension and 10 years for the basic State Pension. So the good thing about the State Pension is that typically, it increases. It goes up, at the moment, it goes up in line with the triple lock, which is the largest of three figures, 2.5%, inflation and the increase in average earnings. And it’s the highest of those three?

MARK: That’s right. Yeah. The highest of; inflation, wage growth or 2.5%.

PHILIPPA: And our new government is considering this right now?

FAITH: They’re weighing it up. I don’t think it’s in their interest quite yet to scrap the triple lock. But the point is, it goes up with inflation. The other kind of pension you’re going to have is a pension from your workplace, if you’re an employee. Once you earn over £10,000 in the UK, are at least 22 years old, and have not yet reached State Pension age, there’s Auto-Enrolment. That means that you’ll automatically have money towards your retirement savings unless you choose to opt out. That has the major advantage that you’ll get employer contributions and free money from tax relief. If you earn less than £10,000, but above £6,240, your employer doesn’t have to automatically enrol you, but if you ask to join, your employer will be unable to refuse you and must make contributions on your behalf. Opting out of a workplace pension is like turning down a pay rise.

FAITH: Now the workplace pensions, they used to be a ‘final salary’, defined benefit, where the money you got in retirement was related to how many years you’d paid in and what your salary was. And that was really nice.

PHILIPPA: Yeah, those days are long gone.

FAITH: You knew, you were just kind of guaranteed a certain amount of income.

PHILIPPA: You knew what you were gonna get and it was just happening.

FAITH: Yeah. And there are some people that still do benefit from defined benefit pensions, particularly if you work for the public sector. But it’s a much smaller proportion of the population.

PHILIPPA: Very few now.

FAITH: And, the rest of us have what’s called defined contribution pensions. Whether it’s a workplace pension or, whether it’s a private pension. So what you get in retirement depends on what you paid in, and what the stock market has done.

Things to think about when you’ve nearly reached retirement

PHILIPPA: We should talk about compounding shouldn’t we? Because this is the thing that’s not talked about enough. The joys of - the sooner you start and the longer you save, the better it gets. Just explain compound interest and how that plays in.

FAITH: Well, I think everybody’s familiar with the concept of interest. You put £100 in a savings account, maybe you get 1% interest. So at the end of the year, you get £1 added on. Brilliant, there’s your 1% interest. But if you don’t spend that money, if you leave it in the account, at the end of the next year, you don’t just get another £1 added to your £100, you’ll also get interest earned on top of the interest.

PHILIPPA: On your pound?

FAITH: So what it means is, your money goes up, not in a straight diagonal line, but it’s a curve. And the longer you leave it, the more the curve will tip upwards, and the more money you will have amassed.

PHILIPPA: So the younger you start, even if it’s tiny amounts, the better?

FAITH: Absolutely.

PHILIPPA: As time goes on and you get closer and closer to retirement, you’re going to be thinking about how you might start withdrawing from your pension. We’ve talked about this a little bit already. Before you start doing this, if you’re 50 or over, I think this is new, isn’t it, Faith? Your pension provider’s now required to suggest that you have an appointment with an organisation called Pension Wise. Now what is Pension Wise? I know you’ve had one of these meetings, tell us about that.

FAITH: I have, I’m now over 50 and I’ve actually done my Pension Wise appointment.

PHILIPPA: It’s okay Faith, that’s both of us. We can both admit to being over 50.

FAITH: Well, I’m over 50 and proud. I’m excited. I’m getting closer to getting my hands on that pension money.

PHILIPPA: Yeah.

FAITH: All those years of saving. And finally I might get to spend some of it. But it really is a good idea to talk to Pension Wise before you start spending your pension money. It’s a government body. The appointments are completely free. I’m gonna say that again, the appointments are free! And what Pension Wise can do is give you guidance about your pension options.

PHILIPPA: This is a great starting point.

FAITH: It absolutely is. I think mine was about 45 minutes and I was actually really impressed at how clearly they explained what the options were.

PHILIPPA: I mean, they didn’t tell you anything you didn’t already know, I’m assuming? But you thought it was a really good process?

FAITH: I thought it was a really good process, I think they covered a lot of ground during the interview. And I think crucially, one of the reasons I recommend anybody over 50 to have a Pension Wise appointment, is that if you actually put the preparation in beforehand, you are going to get the most out of the interview. If you actually go through the exercise of working out what money you have.

So, track down where your pensions are, where they’re held, in what funds, what the charges are, what else you have in terms of any cash savings, ISAs, investments. Actually look at your budget and work out what you spend now and how much you might like to spend in retirement. So just doing the exercise of sitting down, getting that information together, starting to think about what you would like your retirement to look like. That preparation for the interview is enormously helpful.

PHILIPPA So Mark, I’m gonna put you on the spot now. If you decide you’re ready to start withdrawing from your pension, it can be tricky to work out exactly how you want to do that and how you should do that. Can you just run us through the various ways you can take money out of your pension pot when the time comes?

MARK: Yes, that’s right. So, first and foremost you have to be 55 (57 from 2028) to start withdrawing from your pension. It’s not always advisable to start withdrawing at 55 because, if you want to carry on working and contributing to your pension, then you are limited at that point. So first thing’s first, make sure you actually need the money, or that you actually want to start accessing the money.

PHILIPPA: So, don’t take it just because you can?

MARK: Don’t take it just because you can. Especially to pay off, frivolous - I say frivolous things - but to buy luxuries, don’t take it out and buy a sports car for instance. Just because you really want one.

PHILIPPA: People do though, don’t they?

FAITH: Do they?

MARK: The data says that fewer people do than you’d think.

PHILIPPA: Oh you don’t think so? You read about these things, but is it not true, Faith?

FAITH: I think anybody who’s spent years and years paying their money into a pension does not suddenly change their complete financial personality at 55 and go, whoa, I’m gonna blow the lot!

PHILIPPA: So not even people who’ve been in a workplace scheme where they didn’t really feel they were having anything to do with their pension payments. Because you’re quite detached if you’re a workplace scheme, aren’t you?

FAITH: I think it depends on how much you’ve accrued and I think if your pension is a relatively small amount, £5,000 or £10,000. Then, that might not feel so significant. But anybody who’s built a bigger pension, I’m willing to bet that they think about it slightly more.

PHILIPPA: Okay, so Mark, I’m gonna go back to you because you’ve got more to tell us, haven’t you? So, consider not taking the money out unless you need it at 55.

MARK: It might be that you’re older, you’re closer to retiring and at that point you can take 25% of your pension tax free. It’s a really good idea to pay down things like debt at that point. Paying off your mortgage might be a good way to set yourself up for a decent retirement.

Then with the money that you’ve got left, there’s several ways you can take that. You can either use that money and buy what’s called an annuity. Now, essentially you swap a lump of money for a guaranteed level of income.

PHILIPPA: You can’t change your mind about that though, can you? Once you’ve brought that annuity, that’s done. There’s no going back?

MARK: Yeah, you’ve got the guaranteed amount but it’s irreversible. That’s right. The other way you can access your money is what’s known as drawdown, which is where you leave the money you’ve accumulated in some sort of investment pot. So some of it still remains in the stock market and in other types of investments that your pension fund normally holds.

So it has the potential to grow and you draw down from that flexibly, as much as you need. And the trouble with this strategy is that the amount you get isn’t guaranteed. So it fluctuates with how much you take out at any one time, but also how stock markets perform. So for instance, if you have a bad year where the stock market falls - it’s not unusual for the stock market to fall, 10%, 12%, 15% in some of its leaner years - and suddenly you find yourself having to draw money that’s reduced in value, that hurts your fund even more.

So you have to be in a really comfortable position, I think, to sort of rely on that drawdown strategy.

But I think actually more and more increasingly, the most relevant way for people to access their pension is to do it through a blend of all of these options.

PHILIPPA: Anything to add, Faith?

FAITH: There’s one other option, which is, if you’re in a position where you don’t have to take the 25% tax free lump sum at the beginning, you could instead choose to take payments, take lump sums as and when you need them, where 25% of that amount is tax free. And that sometimes could be useful if somebody’s got the State Pension, maybe they have pensions coming in from other directions, and they’re trying to bring their taxable income down.

MARK: If listeners are thinking, oh gosh, all this sounds incredibly complicated, then believe me, it is. Don’t rush into it and think very carefully before you do it.

PHILIPPA: But the flip side of that is that, you know, the nice thing is, there’s a lot more flexibility in the system now, isn’t there? Maybe not as much as you’d like, Mark, but you know it’s coming. It’s not like the old days where you start work, you get your pension. That’s it. I mean there’s a more flexible way of managing the money you’ve saved isn’t there? Would it be fair to say that, in your retirement?

FAITH: Absolutely. It’s far more flexible and I think it means that there’s much more flexibility in the fact that you don’t necessarily have to stop work on a set date. Because if you wanted to, for example, drop your hours and go part-time after the age of 55, then you could top up your income with either part of your tax free lump sum or using the payments that have part of them as tax free, rather than just buying an annuity which pays you a set amount every year regardless of whether you want all that money or not. You’ve got much more flexibility. And it doesn’t stop you from potentially later in life - because the older you get, the higher annuity payments you will get - if you start it later in life, you’ll get more money each year.

PHILIPPA: Basically, because they know they’re not gonna have to pay you that money for very long?

FAITH: Exactly. But it does mean that while you’re still in a situation where you’re quite comfortable taking stock market risks and you can kind of manage your money, you could drawdown. But then later in life, when you don’t want the hassle anymore, you could hand over money in exchange for a certain income.

MARK: It’s one of those frustrating areas in pensions where the savers are saying ‘What should I do?’ And the answer from the pensions industry is ‘Well, like everything in pensions, it depends.’ So it’s really important that you go and have individual tailored conversations with someone, like Pension Wise, before you do this stuff.

What will retirement look like in the future?

PHILIPPA: We’ve talked a bit about how pensions have changed and are evolving even now, and we need to wrap this up. But I’d like all your thoughts on how you’d like to see that process continue. What else would you like to see in terms of evolutions of the pension system, so that people can match their older years to the kind of flexibility we’re all looking for now? What would you like to see that isn’t there?

FAITH: I think there needs to be more support for the self-employed.

PHILIPPA: Yeah.

FAITH: I don’t know exactly how you’d do it, but I think there’s a massive chunk of the working population that aren’t being compelled to put money into pensions. What we’ve seen is that while for the working population, pension saving has increased and increased and increased after Auto Enrolment, during the same time period, the contributions to pensions by the self-employed have just fallen off a cliff.

PHILIPPA: Yeah, it’s a good point. Mark, any thoughts on what you’d like to see?

MARK: Yeah, for the Pensions Lifetime Savings Association, the question is perfect because we’ve very recently launched a publication which makes five recommendations, five pleas for the government to improve the pension system.

And the first one of those - amazingly, there are no national objectives for what the pension system is trying to achieve - so we want to see the creation of very clear objectives for what the UK pension system actually is. And we think the definitions for those should be around whether it’s adequate for people, whether it’s affordable for the government and whether it’s fair in the way that everybody’s able to get similar outcomes with the same rules that apply for them. We think the State Pension’s too low. I think by international standards and by other G7 economies, it’s lower compared to our counterparts in Europe.

We want to see reform of the State Pension so that we stick with the triple lock, but it needs to gradually increase so that we reach the level of the minimum Retirement Living Standard. We think contributions are still too low via the Automatic Enrolment system.

PHILIPPA: That should be more?

MARK: It should be more. In recent modelling we’ve done, half of people are still gonna retire with less than what we call the ‘target replacement rate‘ - which is the amount they should get.

There are also lots of under pensioned groups, so we’ve already talked about women, but the self-employed, gig economy workers, there are lots of people that are being a little bit let down by the system because they work strange hours, or they might have two jobs or three jobs or four jobs and the system doesn’t really help them.

PHILIPPA: It hasn’t caught up with work with working patterns has it?

MARK: Exactly. So we’re still living in a slightly antiquated, you know, the idea that we’re all working one job and one salary, but it’s just not the case for many, many people. And the other thing is more industry initiatives to help people better understand their pensions.

So, there are actions that pension schemes can take, that employers can take to, to improve pension contributions themselves. You don’t have to put the minimum in if you’re an employer, you might want to make your company more attractive to work for, by having a more attractive policy. And we’ve seen some creative policies around employers paying during periods of parental leave, they continue to pay the pension contributions at the normal salaried rate while that person’s away on parental leave. So there’s some creative ways that can really help people’s pension outcomes in the future. So lots for the government to do, we’ve given them a shopping list of things we’d like to see. But we think if all of these things were adopted, a median earner would see their pension income increase by about £4,000 a year or increase about 25% through the entire life of a pension saving journey. So there are some big outcomes to be achieved, if we can get there.

PHILIPPA: It’s good to know you’re all over making it happen.

MARK: Yeah, we’re banging the drums, certainly.

PHILIPPA: I think we’re going to leave it there. There’s so much more we can talk about, but I think we’ll leave it. Thank you everyone for being here today. It was a great discussion.

If you’d like to find out more about everything we have discussed, then check out the show notes where there are links to lots of useful articles. A final reminder that everything you’ve heard on this podcast should not be regarded as financial advice and whenever you invest your capital is at risk.

Join us again next month when we’ll be joined by Stand Up Comedian, Vix Leyton, and PensionBee’s CMO Jasper Martens for an episode all about translating financial jargon. Dividend yields, annuities, APR, what does it all mean? Do not miss that one. Thanks for listening.

Catch up on episode 10 and listen, watch on YouTube or read the transcript.

Dislaimer: The PLSA’s Retirement Living Standards were updated in January 2023 and the figures in this transcript have been updated to reflect this.

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