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What happened at PensionBee in April and May 2019
We’re excited to announce some new and improved features at PensionBee. Here’s what we’ve been working on in April and May!

We’ve got some exciting updates to share with you, including a fresh look on our website and our rollout of new Simpler Annual Statements, which makes us the first pension provider to offer customers an easy to understand snapshot of their pension. Read on to learn what’s new at PensionBee and how we’re improving your pension experience.

We’ve adopted Simpler Annual Statements to make it even easier to manage your pension

Simpler Annual Statements

We want to give our customers complete transparency and control over their savings. Whether that’s by giving you full visibility of how your pension’s performing, or making our annual statements easier to understand – we’re on a mission to make pensions simple!

Our Simpler Annual Statements are designed to provide a short and clear overview of your pension. They’ll show you the total balance, how much you’ve contributed to your pension, the tax top ups you’ve received from HMRC and how much your employer has paid in, if applicable.

We’re pleased to be the first pension provider to adopt the new format, since it was announced by the government back in October. Minister for Pensions and Financial Inclusion, Guy Opperman said: “I am 11_personal_allowance_rate committed to simpler statements and am pleased to see PensionBee adopting the Simpler Annual Statement. I look forward to the rest of the industry doing the same thing in 2019.”

If you have a live balance and transferred your old pensions to PensionBee before the end of the 2018/19 tax year, (and haven’t transferred out or started withdrawing from your pension), you’ll be able to view your Simpler Annual Statement in your BeeHive.

We’ve refreshed our website to show you how PensionBee works, from consolidating to withdrawing your pension

How It Works update

We’re always working to bust jargon and demystify pensions, whether that’s through the articles in our Pensions Explained centre, our Pensions 101 videos over on YouTube, or explaining how pensions work right here on our website. We’ve recently updated our How It Works page to give you a simple and concise walkthrough of our service - our website is as easy and straightforward as it is to manage your pension with PensionBee!

Plus we’ve added new sections on combining your old pensions with PensionBee and making contributions to your new PensionBee plan, which sit alongside our page on how to withdraw your pension when it’s time to retire. Our site covers everything you need to know, from transferring your existing pensions over to us, to receiving tax top ups from HMRC, and even planning your retirement with our drawdown calculator.

We’ve been nominated… again!

We’re thrilled to announce that we’ve been nominated for Diversity and Inclusion Champion in the Computing Tech Marketing and Innovation Awards 2019! We’re incredibly proud of our diverse team, whose dedication, commitment, and insight make PensionBee such a wonderful and inclusive place to work.

We’ve also been nominated for Tech Company of the Year in the Evening Standard Business Awards 2019 - alongside Twitter, no less!

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— PensionBee (@pensionbee)

And that’s not all - PensionBee has also been nominated in the Investment Marketing and Innovation Awards 2019. We’re shortlisted for three awards: the Corporate Social Responsibility Award, Most Innovative Direct Consumer Proposition, and the Open Innovation Award. We’re proud to be bringing our company values of innovation and love to the pensions industry.

Plus, our CEO, Romi, has been nominated for no less than six accolades at the Women in Pensions Awards 2019, including Pensions Woman of the Year and Role Model of the Year. Congratulations to everyone who was nominated.

Keep an eye out for our next update on our blog. We’re always working on new features to make our customers happy, so if you have any ideas or suggestions, please let us know in the comments section or over on social media, and we’ll feed it back to the team.

What happened at PensionBee in June 2019
We were busy bees last month, working hard to bring exciting new features to your pension. Here’s what we were working on in June.

Summer is finally here and there’s a buzz in the air - and in our BeeHive! We were busy bees last month, working to bring exciting new features to your account as well as stacking up those award wins. Here’s what we got up to in June.

We’ve automated your tax top ups from HMRC

Automated tax top ups

We’ve recently made improvements to the way your tax top ups from HMRC are added to your account. Now, whenever you make a personal contribution to your pension, we’ll automatically add your _corporation_tax tax top ups from HMRC so you can see the funds in your account straightaway.

This means you’ll no longer need to wait eight weeks for these to credit your account, and will be able to see a more accurate view of your balance whenever you log into your BeeHive. Don’t forget, most savers can contribute £100 to their pension from a personal bank account, and get a £25 top up from HMRC, to a maximum of £40,000 in the current tax year.

We’re keeping your pension safe

New safety page

Keeping your savings safe is paramount to us at PensionBee, so we’ve updated our website to highlight the security procedures we use to protect your money. PensionBee is directly authorised and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority, and we’re also a member of the Association of British Insurers, working on better standards in the pensions industry.

Plus, our pensions are managed by the world’s largest money managers – State Street Global Advisors, HSBC and BlackRock – so you know your money’s in experienced hands. They invest your money and your pension is kept completely separate from our own funds.

If our money managers fail, your pension will be protected by the Financial Services Compensation Scheme up to 10_personal_allowance_rate. We’ll also pursue any compensation on your behalf. Should PensionBee fail, your money manager will continue to invest your pension. We don’t manage your money, so your savings would be safe.

We protect your data with full encryption, secure data protection practices, and we will never share your personal information without your permission. You can find out more about our security policies on our website and our FAQs, or get in touch with your BeeKeeper if you have any questions.

The awards keep coming…

The awards keep coming

We’re pleased to announce that PensionBee was named ‘Diversity and Inclusion Champion’ at the Computing Tech Marketing & Innovation Awards, in recognition of our work campaigning for diversity and representation in the pensions industry.

We’re immensely proud that half of our team consists of women and we have around _higher_rate BME representation at PensionBee – an achievement that’s unheard of in our sector. We’re working hard to prove that pensions can be a good career for anyone looking to be on the cutting-edge of product development and innovation, while challenging the perceptions of what people in pensions should be.

We also won two awards at the Investment Marketing and Innovation Awards: ‘Most Innovative Direct Consumer Proposition’ and ‘Open Innovation’. The first accolade acknowledges our simple online user journey which has transformed pension transfer processes to give you complete control and clarity over your pension.

The second award recognises our innovative use of Open Banking in an industry that hasn’t changed or adapted with advances in technology in decades. We plan to share our APIs with even more banking marketplaces and aggregators in the near-future to put pensions back where they belong – at the forefront of your finances.

Keep an eye out for our next update on our blog. We’re always working on new features to make our customers happy, so if you have any ideas or suggestions, please let us know in the comments section or over on social media, and we’ll feed it back to the team.

How PensionBee revived Lynn’s pension savings
PensionBee customer and personal finance blogger, Mrs Mummypenny, describes how PensionBee helped her to get her pension savings back on track.

Personal finance blogger and mum of three Lynn was keen to start saving into her pension again after taking some time off work to set up her business. Lynn needed an easy, flexible self-employed pension as she entered her 40s.

PensionBee’s self-employed solution

Lynn consolidated her old pensions with PensionBee, finding our transfer process simple and painless. We just needed some basic details about her old pensions, like her provider name and policy number, and then we did all the work - no paperwork, no fuss.

One of the things I really love about PensionBee and being self-employed is that I’ve got flexibility to put whatever I choose into my pension each month.

Now, Lynn can make contributions into her pension straight through our app, with no minimum or fixed contribution amount. With a fluctuating self-employed income, this means that Lynn can save an amount that works for her each month, whether it’s £1000 or £100.

Achieving long-term financial goals

In previous jobs, Lynn didn’t opt in to her workplace pension scheme, a financial decision she regrets as she gets closer to retirement. Now that she’s saving into her PensionBee plan, Lynn feels reassured as she tracks the performance of her savings on the app.

It feels incredible to have that visibility. It gives me a sense of reassurance that I know exactly what’s going on with my money.

It’s always better to start saving for retirement early, but since transferring to PensionBee, Lynn finally feels in control of her pension savings. She’s reaching her financial goals and getting back on track for a comfortable retirement.

Find out what other PensionBee customers have to say over on our YouTube channel, or take a look at customer reviews on Trustpilot.

What happened at PensionBee in July 2019?
Summer is finally here! This month, we’ve been working to make managing your pension a sunny experience. Find out what we’ve been up to this July.

Whether you’re loving or loathing the heat, it’s safe to say that the ‘Great British Summer’ is finally here. In between the awards ceremonies and the sunshine, our team has been working hard to make managing your pension even easier. Here’s what we’ve been up to this July.

We’ve made it even easier to see your pension balance grow

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We’ve made a few changes to the ‘Balance’ tab in the BeeHive so it’s now even easier for you to understand your transactions. As part of this we’ve changed how your tax top ups are displayed so it’s more straightforward to see which tax top up relates to which contribution.

You’ll also be able to see more information on your rewards, from the name of the person you successfully referred to the corresponding tax top up. Remember, you can recommend PensionBee to your friends, and as soon as they successfully transfer a pension, we’ll automatically add £50 to your pension and £50 to theirs too (£40, plus a £10 tax top up). Full terms and conditions can be found on our website.

We’ve invested over half a billion pounds on your behalf

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We’re proud to announce that we have now surpassed _higher_rate_personal_savings_allowancem in pension money, with a further £400m on its way. That means you’ve trusted us with almost a billion pounds of your retirement savings!

Thanks to you, PensionBee has become a key challenger and disruptor in one of the oldest industries – in just a few years. We don’t take the trust you’ve placed in us lightly and will keep campaigning for change and listening to your feedback, so we can continue to bring you a leading pension product.

Our app’s just turned 1

App-y anniversary

Can you believe it’s already been a year since we launched our mobile app? The app was designed to help you to manage your pension with ease, with 24/7 access to your balance and the ability to view past performance and make contributions – all from the palm of your hand.

We’ve got lots of exciting updates planned over the next few months so watch this space. If you haven’t already, download the PensionBee app from the Apple App and Google Play Stores.

Don’t forget you can also see your PensionBee balance in some other leading money management apps including Starling, Yolt, Moneyhub, Money Dashboard and Emma.

Keep an eye out for our next update on our blog. We’re always working on new features to make our customers happy, so if you have any ideas or suggestions, please let us know in the comments section or over on social media, and we’ll feed it back to the team.

What happened at PensionBee in August 2019
We were busy throughout August, working on new features to enhance your pensions experience. Here’s what we got up to

Summer might be winding down, but we’re as busy as ever! We’ve been working hard on more new features and continue to stack up those award nominations. Read on to find out what we got up to in August.

We’re enhancing our Analytics tab to make retirement planning better

We’re working on some updates to the Analytics tab in your BeeHive to to help our customers better plan for retirement. We’re building a new retirement planning tool to make it simpler to see how much money you’re likely to receive at retirement and how long your pension could last, based on your current contributions. The new calculator will let you know whether you’re on track or whether you’ll need to boost your savings to reach your long-term goals.

It can be tricky to figure out how much you need to save for retirement, which is where our handy tools come in to help make planning for your future straightforward and easy to understand. And remember, it’s never too late to start saving! If you’re in your 40s or your 50s, there’s still time to build a decent pension pot for a comfortable retirement.

PensionBee shortlisted for two Technology Product Awards 2019

We’re proud to announce that we’ve been shortlisted for two Technology Product Awards in 2019: ‘Most Innovative Use of AI / Automation - SMEs’ and ‘Technology Hero of the Year’, for our CTO, Jonathan Lister Parsons.

Innovation is one of our PensionBee values and we’re incredibly passionate about making use of exciting technology to create a seamless, modern pension service that serves our customers any time, any place. Our CTO Jonathan works tirelessly alongside the rest of our tech team to make your pensions experience simple and convenient.

We’ve also been shortlisted for a Schroders UK Platform Award in the ‘Leading Digital Platform’ category, an accolade we’re immensely proud to have won back in 2018.

Keep an eye out for our next update on our blog. We’re always working on new features to make our customers happy, so if you have any ideas or suggestions, please let us know in the comments section or over on social media, and we’ll feed it back to the team.

What happened at PensionBee in September 2019
September is always a busy month for PensionBee. Read on to learn about the new features and updates that we’ve been working on this month.

We’ve been working hard this September to bring you some exciting new features, including a new retirement planning tool and improved withdrawals for over-55s. Read on to find out what we’ve been up to this month.

We’ve enhanced our ‘Analytics’ tab to give you a clearer picture of your pension situation, now and in the future

Analytics update

If you’ve logged into your BeeHive in the last few days you may have noticed the improvements we’ve made to the ‘Analytics’ tab. We’ve replaced your old performance chart with an interactive retirement planning tool, to help you better visualise the level of savings you might need for retirement.

Instead of focussing on past performance, your new retirement planning tool is forward looking, and helps you see how much you have now, compared to your target, at a glance. The new tool will let you know whether you’re on track for a comfortable retirement or whether you’ll need to boost your savings to reach your long-term goals.

There are three key elements to the new ‘Analytics’ tab:

  • Retirement Planner - a brand new tool that lets you see the level of savings you might need based on your long-term goals
  • Transfer and Contribution breakdown - a new snapshot of what’s in your pension pot, based on how much you’ve transferred, contributed and received from HMRC in the form of tax top ups
  • Past performance - a refresh of the old analytics chart that now simply shows the growth of your pension pot over time

We’ve increased the efficiency of withdrawals for over-55s

Withdrawals for over 55s

A few months ago we announced that whenever you make a contribution to your pension we will automatically add your _corporation_tax tax top ups from HMRC, so that you can see the funds reflected in your pension balance straightaway. We’ve now introduced the same improvement for withdrawals so instead of your money taking several weeks to reach your bank account, it will soon take a matter of days.

On average it will take around 10 working days for you to receive your money, as long as there are no issues verifying your bank details. Plus, if you’re making repeat withdrawals to the same bank account(s), you’ll now be able to select your bank details from a drop down menu without needing to input the same information each time.

Remember, you can only start withdrawing your pension after your 55th birthday, and therefore won’t be able to benefit from these new features until then.

Our CEO, Romi, is to help establish the government’s Pensions Dashboards

Pensions Dashboards

The way we manage our pensions is changing, with the government planning to introduce an online dashboard that lets you see all of your pensions together – from your old workplace pensions to the State Pension – in the next few years.

While the project is still in its infancy, last week it was announced that our CEO, Romi, would be joining the Pensions Dashboards IDG Steering Group alongside nine others from a diverse range of companies including Which? and Moneyhub. The group has been chosen to represent the interests of consumers, fintechs and the pensions sector, and will be working on the practicalities of establishing pensions dashboards services and making them available to the general public.

As you know, PensionBee is already successfully using technology to help customers like yourselves find and combine their pensions, giving Romi valuable insight into the process. Romi’s appointment will help ensure that consumers have a louder voice in the creation of pensions dashboards and that the end product delivers a service that’s fit for purpose.

Keep an eye out for our next update on our blog. We’re always working on new features to make our customers happy, so if you have any ideas or suggestions, please let us know in the comments section or over on social media, and we’ll feed it back to the team.

How to set a good retirement goal in three easy steps
Find out how to take control of your retirement savings and set yourself a realistic goal in three easy steps.

Setting yourself a retirement goal is a great way to take control of your retirement planning. A realistic and achievable goal could help you see whether you’re on track to achieve the kind of retirement you want, and to encourage you to stay on track! Here are three easy steps to setting a good retirement goal.

1. Budget

Before you can start planning for your retirement, you’ll need to know what your finances look like in general. You’ll want to start with a budget, which will help you to see where you’re spending and where you can save. Begin by listing your essential monthly expenses, including rent or mortgage payments, bills, food, transport costs, and any other regular payments. You should also list any existing contributions you make into your savings accounts, pension, and other investments.

Next, make a record of all your non-essential purchases each month, like eating out and takeaways, new gadgets, subscriptions, and drinks at the weekend. You can find the cost of these expenses by checking your bank statements. Many modern banking accounts, like Monzo and Starling Bank, automatically categorise your payments, so it’s even easier to identify where you’re spending.

Once you’ve listed all of your expenses, it’s time to calculate your income. Subtract the cost of your monthly expenses from your monthly income to see what you have left at the end of the month. You might need to make some changes to your spending habits in order to save more into your pension. Consider which non-essential purchases you can cut back on or stop entirely; maybe you’re still paying for a subscription service you haven’t used in six months! Working out a healthy budget that works for you and your lifestyle will enable you to set a realistic retirement goal because you’ll be able to see what’s achievable for a comfortable retirement.

2. Think about the future you

Once you’ve set up a good budget, it’s time to start planning for the kind of retirement you want. Have a think about what sort of lifestyle you would like to have in your 60s, 70s, and 80s, and how much this is likely to cost you. In 2016/17, the average UK couple had an annual retirement income of £29,952, which covers all the essentials like a home and bills, as well as small luxuries like the occasional holiday.

It can sometimes be difficult to envision our lives in retirement, so start with the basics and think practically. Think about where you’ll live and what your day-to-day expenses are likely to be. Take a look at your budget to see how much you’re currently spending on food and transport, and consider how these habits might change in the future. For example, the cost of your weekly shop may reduce once your kids have moved out and you’re no longer preparing meals for a large family. Plus, you’re likely to be commuting less once you’ve retired! Remember to factor in the increasing cost of living, and think about your income streams. You might receive an income from your pension alongside other investments or a part-time job.

Once you’ve got a rough idea of your ideal retirement income, you can use our pension calculator to see how much you need to be saving in order to meet your goal. Our calculator will tell you whether you’re on track or whether you need to be saving more. You can adjust your retirement age and how much you’re contributing to land on a realistic target that you can work towards.

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3. Get on top of your pensions

After you’ve worked out how much you need to save in order to meet your retirement goals, you’ll need to start fortifying your savings. First, it’s a good idea to track down any old or lost pensions to see if you can boost your savings. Consider combining your old pensions as bringing all your pension savings together could make it easier to manage them. Plus, you might be able to save on fees which, left unchecked, might eat away at your old pots.

Check to make sure you’re enrolled on your workplace pension scheme, which is an easy way to top up your retirement savings. Contributions will be taken straight from your paycheck so you don’t have to worry about forgetting to save, plus employer contributions can boost your pot with free money!

Finally, consider saving any extra cash into your pension, for example after a bonus or inheritance. You can use our pension calculator to see how this can help your progress towards your retirement goal. Remember, most people are eligible for a _corporation_tax tax top up from HMRC on pension contributions, which can really help to build a solid pension pot.

We want to help you to make sense of pensions so we’ve put together our Pensions 101 series over on our YouTube channel to explain how pensions work and how to get on top of your retirement savings. Take a look and let us know your thoughts in the comments section.

What happened at PensionBee in October 2019?
This month, we’ve been actioning customer feedback to continue delivering a leading pension product. Here’s what we’ve been up to in October.

This month we’ve been reflecting on the feedback you give us, and how we can incorporate your ideas to continue delivering a leading pension product. Read on to find out what we’ve been up to in October and the changes we’ve made in response to our customers’ feedback.

Our approach to sustainability

Sustainability

Reducing our impact on the environment and investing responsibly are subjects that are close to all of our hearts and you can read more about sustainable investing in our blog. As our customers, we feel it’s important that you know what our approach to the environment is, and how we plan to campaign for the issues that matter to you most.

We believe pension providers have a key role to play in the transition from the carbon economy to one based on 100% renewable energy sources, and should promote positive climate change activities in the companies that your pension funds are invested in.

We’d love to hear your thoughts on this topic, and if you’ve got a question on the sustainability of your pension plan, we’ll put it directly to your money manager when we film your next plan update. Get in touch by emailing: engagement@pensionbee.com.

Your analytics chart is back

Analytics feedback

Following the launch of our new retirement planning tool, you asked us to bring back the old analytics chart, and we listened! To see the past performance and growth of your pension pot over time, simply log in to your BeeHive and click on the ‘Analytics’ tab, where you’ll find it below the new retirement planner and transfer and contribution breakdown chart.

We’re speaking out about slow pension transfer times

Slow pension transfers

Last week the Telegraph and the Sun published our analysis of more than 50,000 pension transfers, looking at the fastest and slowest providers. There was a huge variation between firms, with some taking just 12 days to transfer a pension, and the worst taking an unbelievable 404 days.

Outdated legislation from 1993 allows pension providers to hold your savings hostage for up to six months before honouring your wishes and completing a pension transfer. We know this can be incredibly frustrating for our customers, which is why we’re renewing our campaign for a pension switch guarantee.

Thankfully lots of things have changed in the past 26 years, and it’s time for pensions to be brought into the 21st century. We’re calling on the government to create new legislation that will allow savers to easily and safely change their pension provider, in the same way we can change our bank or energy provider in a set number of days.

Keep an eye out for our next update on our blog. We’re always working on new features to make our customers happy, so if you have any ideas or suggestions, please let us know in the comments section or over on social media, and we’ll feed it back to the team.

What happened at PensionBee in November 2019
As things start to wind down for the festive season, there’s been no let-up at PensionBee. Here’s what we’ve been up to in November.

As things start to wind down for the festive season, there’s been no let-up at PensionBee. From hosting our first ever hackathon event, to putting the hard questions to your money managers on your behalf, read on to find out what we got up to in November…

How we’re engaging your money managers on sustainability

Sustainability

Last month, we discussed our approach to sustainability and why we believe pension providers have a key role to play in the transition from the carbon economy to one based on 10_personal_allowance_rate renewable energy sources. In the weeks since, we’ve continued to put pressure on your money managers to answer your questions about the inclusion of certain companies, both in your quarterly plan update videos and also in writing.

Our CEO, Romi, recently wrote an open letter to Sacha Sadan, Director of Corporate Governance at Legal & General, querying Shell’s inclusion in the Future World Plan. While Legal & General are yet to publicly respond in full, they told the Guardian that they believe the oil company could do more and they were pushing for greater transparency on how Shell’s production plans aligned with the Paris agreement. We’ll let you know once we hear more, but in the meantime you can read Romi’s letter in full and stay up to date with the latest news in on sustainability.

Introducing Scam Man & Robbin’

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At the end of November we held our eagerly anticipated Pension Scams Hackathon event which brought together some of the most innovative “pentech” (pension technology) companies in the UK, and challenged them to work together to create a concept for an online game that increases awareness of pension scams.

Cross-company teams from PensionBee, Nutmeg, AgeWage and Smart Pension had just six hours to deliver the concept for a game which met three assessment criteria: virality, engagement and relevance. At the end of the day, concepts were judged by three pensions industry experts: Michelle Cracknell CBE, Non-Executive Director at PensionBee and former CEO of the Pensions Advisory Service; Margaret Snowdon OBE, President of the Pensions Administration Standards Association and Chairman of the Pension Scams Industry Group; and Stephanie Baxter, Deputy Personal Finance Editor at The Telegraph.

The winning concept, ingeniously called Scam Man & Robbin’, casts the player in the role of vigilante ‘Scam Man’, who’s main objective is to protect people’s pensions, blowing the whistle on anything he thinks could be a scam.

Inspired by one of the world’s most-loved superheroes, Scam Man & Robbin’ aims to challenge common misconceptions which may initially seem positive about a pension scheme, such as guaranteed high returns or a friend’s recommendation, but may in fact be the hallmarks of a scam.

We’re excited to start working on the game, and you can expect to see Scam Man & Robbin’ sometime in early 2020.

We’re ending the year on a high

Award winners

Last week PensionBee was named ‘Online Business of the Year’ at the Growing Business Awards, which celebrated the strength, vision and resilience of fast-growing SMEs and entrepreneurs.

The judges praised us for being ‘ahead of the curve’ and highly aware of our ‘social responsibility to grow sustainably and maintain a high level of service and innovation’.

We’re also thrilled to announce that our CEO, Romi, was named ‘Entrepreneur of the Year’ at the 2019 City AM Awards earlier in November, seeing off stiff competition from business leaders in industries as diverse as fintech and medical services to energy and manufacturing.

Keep an eye out for our next update on our blog. We’re always working on new features to make our customers happy, so if you have any ideas or suggestions, please let us know in the comments section or over on social media, and we’ll feed it back to the team.

What happened at PensionBee in 2019
2019 was a big year for us at PensionBee, filled with innovation, improvements, and lots of award wins! Here’s what we achieved last year - bring on 2020!

This article was last updated on 13/12/2022

2019 was a big year for PensionBee: we launched a bunch of new features, made some important product improvements, and celebrated a ton of award and industry wins! Here are some of our highlights from last year.

We launched some new features

Product features

Back in January, we launched three new pension plans: our Shariah, Preserve, and 4Plus plans. These plans offer specific investment approaches that could be suitable for different investment goals. For instance, our Shariah Plan invests your money in accordance with Islamic principles on finance, which may make it suitable for anyone looking to invest more responsibly. Our Preserve Plan reduces risk in order to preserve your savings as you approach retirement age.

In December 2022, we launched our new-look “Refer a Friend scheme“ which makes it even easier to refer your friends via our web and mobile apps. Remember, you’ll get a £100 (£80 from PensionBee and £20 tax relief from HMRC) added to your pot for each friend that opens an account with us and adds £100 or more to it. And with up to 50 friends you can refer, you could earn up to _starting_rates_for_savings_income in pension contributions!

And we improved some existing ones

Improvements

This past year, we’ve also made some significant product improvements, including introducing a new retirement planner that lets you see the level of savings you might need based on your long-term goals. We also made it easier for you to see how much you’ve transferred and contributed to your pension pot, and how much you’ve received from HMRC in the form of tax top ups, and how your pot has grown over time.

We also became the first pension provider to adopt the new Simpler Annual Statement. The Simpler Annual Statement is designed to help consumers understand and compare their pension pots with different providers more easily, including clear and simple information on pension charges.

We’ve been celebrating our wins

2019 saw us win a slew of awards alongside a heap of nominations recognising our product innovation, dedication to customer service, and commitment to an inclusive and diverse workplace.

It’s not just trophies that we’ve been celebrating, though. We’re so grateful to all the support and feedback that we’ve received from our customers this past year, which has enabled us to consistently improve our product, expand our team and office, and continue to push the pensions industry into the 21st century (and a new decade!) Halfway through 2019, we reached _higher_rate_personal_savings_allowance million in assets under administration and received our 1,000th Trustpilot review! As always, a huge thank you to our wonderful customers for trusting us to make pensions simple and engaging.

2020 has been no less busy so far, as our team has been hard at work pushing out a new look and getting stuck into a new year of pensions innovation, love, and hard work. Keep an eye out for our billboards that have just been unveiled across the country and let us know what you think on social media! We can’t wait to see what this next year will bring.

Keep an eye out for our next update on our blog. We’re always working on new features to make our customers happy, so if you have any ideas or suggestions, please let us know in the comments section or over on social media, and we’ll feed it back to the team.

What happened at PensionBee in January 2020
We’ve been working hard to banish the January blues and kick off 2020 with a bang. Here’s what we’ve been up to in January.

We’ve been working hard to banish the January blues and help the nation get their pensions back on track. From unveiling our bee-eautiful new logo to advertising PensionBee to commuters up and down the country, we’ve started as we mean to go on, kicking off 2020 (and the new decade) with a bang! Read on to find out what we’ve been up to in January.

We’re taking a more transparent approach to pensions investments

Transparency

In early January, we surveyed close to 2,000 customers in our Tailored Plan about their views on sustainability in the context of profitability. The aim was to understand how you, our customers, want your money invested with PensionBee and to what extent you want us to take the social outcomes created by companies into consideration in the investment process.

One of our core ambitions as a pension provider is to lead the pensions industry to a better place than where we found it, which means investing sustainably and helping you to plan for a happy retirement are a key focus.

Over the coming weeks and months, we’ll be considering your responses and exploring potential changes to our investment offering in light of this. As always, we’d love to hear your thoughts on the matter: you can get in touch by emailing engagement@pensionbee.com. Thanks to everyone who took part in the survey. To learn more about the results, read our summary here.

Introducing our brand new logo

New logo

At the beginning of the year we unveiled our new logo and brand refresh, to better reflect our identity and values. We believe bees evoke thoughts of happiness, warmth and hard work, and a stronger emphasis on the ‘bee’ puts our values of love and quality right at the center of our brand.

The redesign follows our fifth birthday in December, and marks our transition from young startup to a leading online pension provider. In the past five years our offering has evolved from a core pension consolidation service to a full service pension provider, providing hassle-free contributions and withdrawals, planning tools and responsible investing. Our new logo is a clearer representation of the mature brand PensionBee is today, without losing the playful tone you’ve come to expect from us.

We’ve been making a buzz at commuter stations across the UK

Billboards

If you travel to work via National Rail it’s likely you’ll have seen some of the thousands of billboards we’ve placed in commuter stations across the UK. 2020 will be a big year of growth for us with more billboards, TV and radio than ever before so watch this space!

Keep an eye out for our next update on our blog. We’re always working on new features to make our customers happy, so if you have any ideas or suggestions, please let us know in the comments section or over on social media, and we’ll feed it back to the team.

What happened at PensionBee in February 2020
Last month we worked hard on exciting improvements and updates, thanks to the feedback of our customers. Read on to find out what we got up to in February.

Last month we worked hard behind the scenes enlisting the help of you, our beloved customers, to give us your feedback on everything from our plans to our app. We’ll have lots of exciting announcements to share with you in the coming months, but for now read on to find out what we got up to in February.

We’re making improvements to our app

App updates

Since the start of the year, we’ve been working on regular app releases as part of our ongoing efforts to bring you a leading pension product. From reducing loading times to fixing those niggling little things you may not have even noticed, we’re continually enhancing our app to make it even easier for you to manage your pension.

This month we’ll be focussing our efforts on improving the way you pay money into your pension, and would like to thank the customers who’ve kindly volunteered to give us feedback. We’re working towards establishing a customer testing group to participate in surveys, focus groups, prototype testing and much more, so watch this space!

Why our values are at the heart of everything we do

PensionBee Values

At PensionBee we bring our values of simplicity, honesty, quality, innovation, and love to life by thinking about our customers, our local community and the planet in everything we do. We believe pensions are for everyone, and one of the things we’re most passionate about is achieving wider representation in the pensions industry.

In February we became an accredited Living Wage Employer, which means we have solidified our commitment to paying our staff the London Living Wage. The Living Wage is a set amount calculated annually by the Resolution Foundation, based on the best available evidence about living standards in the UK.

We’re proud to be an equal opportunity employer, that’s committed to improving gender diversity and paying our staff a fair wage so they too can look forward to a happy retirement.

PensionBee scoops three Boring Money Awards

We were recognised at the Boring Money Best Buys 2020 Awards in three categories: ‘DIY Pensions’, ‘Beginner investors’ and ‘Sustainable investors’. We’re thrilled to be named as one of the best providers of online investing services based on everything from our call response times and communications to our customer reviews.

Keep an eye out for our next update on our blog. We’re always working on new features to make our customers happy, so if you have any ideas or suggestions, please let us know in the comments section or over on social media, and we’ll feed it back to the team.

What happened at PensionBee in March 2020
March was a strange and difficult month for the nation, but it’s been business as usual here at PensionBee. Read on to find out what we got up to in March.

Throughout March we worked hard to ensure that we’ve been on hand to support you just as we normally would, while also transitioning to remote working to protect our colleagues and the wider community.

Several of our customers have been in touch via phone, email, live chat and social media in the past month to share their views on the current situation and ask questions about their pensions. We’re always here to help and welcome your feedback so if you have any comments, queries or concerns don’t hesitate to get in touch. We’re available via the usual contact methods, and our opening hours remain the same.

While it may have been unsettling to see fluctuations in your balance during the past month, as long-term investors we have to take the rough with the smooth, and be patient during the downturns. It’s important to remember now more than ever, that downturns don’t last forever and markets and pension balances will eventually recover.

Whatever’s going on in the world around us, we’re committed to bringing you a leading pension product. Read on to find out about the projects and initiatives we worked on last month.

We’re launching a fossil fuel free pension later this year

Illustration of several people protesting an oil rig

In March, we announced our plans to launch the UK’s first mainstream fossil fuel free fund, in partnership with Legal & General. We came to this decision after surveying customers in our Future World Plan, who told us that they wanted the option of completely excluding oil from their pensions – even if that meant a potential reduction in profitability.

We strongly believe that everyone should have control over where their money’s invested, and are proud to be the first provider to offer a fund like this. With your help, we want to shape the future of sustainable pensions, giving savers the option of using their investments to transform the world they live in for the better of the planet, society and their retirement.

It’s almost the end of the current tax year...

Screenshots of PensionBee's contribution process

That means you only have a few days left to use up any unused allowance for the 2019/2020 tax year (up to 100% of your earnings, to a limit of £40,000 for most people). You can also carry forward unused allowances from the previous three years.

Most basic rate taxpayers will automatically get a 25% tax top up on all of their personal pension contributions, while higher rate taxpayers can claim a further 25% through their Self-Assessment tax returns, and top rate taxpayers can claim an additional 31%.

If you would like to make an additional lump sum contribution, then it would make sense to do this by bank transfer so as not to miss the 5 April deadline.

Your bank might take some days to process your payments so if you’d like your contribution to reach your pension by 5 April, don’t leave it until the last minute.

We’re finalists for two UK Pensions Awards and two European Pensions Awards

PensionBee has been shortlisted in two categories at this year’s UK Pensions Awards: ‘DC Pension Provider of the Year’ and ‘Diversity and Inclusion Excellence’.

We’ve also been shortlisted for two awards at the 2020 European Pension Awards: the ‘European Pensions Innovation Award’ and the ‘Diversity Award’.

We’re also pleased to announce that our CEO, Romi, has been named as a “Standout 35 Winner” in the 2019 Innovate Finance Women in FinTech Powerlist.

Keep an eye out for our next update on our blog. We’re always working on new features to make our customers happy, so if you have any ideas or suggestions, please let us know in the comments section or over on social media, and we’ll feed it back to the team.

What happened at PensionBee in April 2020
April was a month of pension innovation here at PensionBee. Read on to find out about some of the new initiatives we’ve been working on.

We’re delighted to share some of the new initiatives we’ve been working on recently. From continuing to set the standard on how pension providers communicate with their customers, to launching our very own computer game to tackle pension scams, read on to find out why April was a month of pension innovation.

We’ve added pounds and pence charging to our Simpler Annual Statements

Several stacks of coins increasing in height from left to right with a clock in the background

Last year we were proud to be the first pension provider to adopt the new Simpler Annual Statement template for most customers, which provides a short and clear overview of your pension. At the time, Pensions Minister Guy Opperman remarked: “I am 110 per cent committed to simpler statements and am pleased to see PensionBee adopting the simpler annual statement. I look forward to the rest of industry doing the same thing in 2019”.

In an effort to simplify your annual statements further, for 2020 we’ve displayed all charges in pounds and pence, and are again the first provider to do so.

It’s our goal to make pensions as simple as possible, and providing complete transparency on how your plan is performing, and how much you’re paying in fees, are central to this.

We encourage you to read your Simpler Annual Statement and use it to compare fees across all of your old pensions. A fee saving of just 1% per year could increase a pension’s value by close to _higher_rate over the long-term.

One of the easiest ways to control how much you spend in fees is to consolidate your old pensions into one pot. And, with two bank holidays coming up this May, there’s no better time to look for any old pension paperwork and track down lost pensions.

Introducing Scam Man & Robbin’, the pension scams game

Retro-style logo that says Scam Man and Robbin’

We’ve brought together brilliant minds from the pensions technology sector to tackle the online problem of pension scams, which have increased since the onset of coronavirus. Alongside technology partner, JMAN Group, we’ve developed a five-minute online game that educates consumers about pension scams.

Last month, we were thrilled to announce the launch of Scam Man & Robbin’, casting the player in the role of ‘Scam Man’, a vigilante whose main objective is to protect people’s pensions from scams. Scam Man must correctly identify six of the most common pension scams by shining his torch on them to destroy them, as well as collecting six corresponding bonuses that can help protect savers’ pensions.

Visit scam-man.com to play and learn more about how to protect you and your loved ones from pension scams. As always, we’d love to hear your feedback, so don’t forget to tweet us your thoughts along with your high score!

We’ve partnered with Lumio

Lumio logo

In April, we announced a partnership with Lumio, a money management app that helps you maximise your savings. PensionBee customers can now see their pension balance from within the Lumio app.

This partnership is another great example of how Open Banking can help you take control of your finances, by displaying your tomorrow money alongside your today money. Don’t forget, you can also integrate PensionBee into your Starling, Yolt, Moneyhub, Money Dashboard and Emma apps.

Keep an eye out for our next update on our blog. We’re always working on new features to make our customers happy, so if you have any ideas or suggestions, please let us know in the comments section or over on social media, and we’ll feed it back to the team.

What happened at PensionBee in May 2020
Last month we worked on incorporating your feedback into our product roadmap. Read on to find out what we achieved in May.

Last month we focussed our efforts on incorporating your feedback into our product roadmap, planning all of the exciting projects we’ll be working on for the rest of the year. From the launch of our fossil-fuel free fund this summer to new initiatives to help the self-employed and over 55s make the most of their savings, we can’t wait to share our latest innovations with you over the coming months.

In the meantime, read on to find out what we achieved in May and learn how you can get involved to help us raise awareness of pension scams.

We’re making improvements to our app

App improvements

Last month, we made some updates to the infrastructure of our app to ensure it runs as smoothly as possible. We also updated the ‘Resources’ section, which is where you’ll find lots of useful information about your pension, from your annual statement to quarterly performance updates. In addition, we’ve made some improvements to the way contributions are set up, making it even easier for you to top up your pension in a few clicks. You can keep up-to-date with our latest app releases by following us on Twitter.

We’ve received over 2,000 reviews on Trustpilot

Trustpilot reviews

This time last year we were thrilled to announce that we’d reached 1,000 reviews on Trustpilot and this May we reached another milestone, receiving our 2,000th review.

We’re delighted to further cement our position as a leading pension provider, and will continue to work hard to maintain the trust you’ve placed in us, through the coronavirus crisis and beyond.

We want to hear from you!

Customer feedback

We’re always looking to hear from our customers so we can find out what you think about everything from your PensionBee experience through to the things that motivate you to take control of your finances. We’re offering a £50 Amazon voucher or £50 pension contribution to anyone selected to participate in a 30-60 minute phone interview.

Following the launch of Scam Man & Robbin’, our online game that educates savers about pension scams, we’re looking to find out if any of our customers have ever been approached by a pension scammer. We hope to build case studies that we can share with the national media, so we can increase awareness of scams among the general public and prevent people from losing their hard-earned savings. Separately, we’re also keen to hear from savers aged 55-70 who have experiences of struggling with debt.

If you’d like to share your story with us, and would be happy for your name and photograph to be printed in a national newspaper (such as The Times or The Sun), please get in touch by emailing engagement@pensionbee.com with a summary of your experience.

Keep an eye out for our next update on our blog. We’re always working on new features to make our customers happy, so if you have any ideas or suggestions, please let us know in the comments section or over on social media, and we’ll feed it back to the team.

How PensionBee helps our customers be Pension Confident
Take a look behind the scenes at our new Pension Confident campaign and meet our featured PensionBee customers.

At PensionBee, we want our customers to be pension confident! We’re always innovating, to create a pension product that’s not only simple to use and meets our customers’ needs, but makes them feel on top of their retirement plans. Today we’ve launched a new brand campaign to highlight how we’re helping savers be pension confident. Read on to find out more about our Pension Confident campaign and the wonderful customers who’ve shared their experiences of being with PensionBee.

What it means to be Pension Confident

Pension Confident

Having multiple pensions dotted around can cause anxiety and stress when it comes to sorting your retirement savings. With our app and our handy online tools, like our pension calculator, we’re making it simple to manage your pension savings.

Juan, 51, joined PensionBee back in 2016. Juan runs his own PR company and needed a modern way to manage his pensions. “It’s the easiest way to deal with your money without the headaches of dealing with the traditional, old-style pension providers,” he says.

We want to help our customers go beyond ticking pensions off the ‘to-do’ list, and help our customers feel confident about both their savings and their retirement. We know that life doesn’t stop at age 55 and we’re proud to have created a product that enables our customers to feel excited about their retirement plans. Juan says, “I don’t plan a traditional retirement. I think I’ll still be doing some work in my late 60s and early 70s.”

Juan appreciates being able to easily manage his savings as he approaches retirement, as he’s able to change how he manages and accesses his money as his circumstances change. With our flexible drawdown, our customers can plan a retirement that makes them look forward to the future.

From pension mess to pension confident

Pension Confident

Mum of three, Lynn Beattie, 42, runs MrsMummypenny, a personal finance blog, and needed an easy, flexible self-employed pension as she entered her 40s. She says, “My pension situation before I joined PensionBee was a complete mess.”

Priya Kanabar, 31, is a childminder and fitness instructor, with little spare time to spend sorting out pensions. After starting her business a few years ago, she realised that she needed to get her pension in order. “I had no idea where to start,” she says. “So I had no pension.”

With flexible one-off and recurring contribution options and no minimum contribution amounts, PensionBee provides peace of mind for self-employed savers. After bringing all her pensions into one place, Priya feels like “this whole weight is lifted off my shoulders, and that makes me feel very confident.”

PensionBee helped Lynn to bring all her old pensions into one place, where she can see how much her savings are worth, and calculate how much she needs to save for a comfortable retirement. Lynn says, “I’m looking forward to when I’m actually going to retire. PensionBee has just helped me to feel more confident.”

Finding pension confidence with PensionBee

PensionBee customer Nana

We’ve taken on board feedback from our customers and developed useful features to help you enjoy managing your pension money, at every step of your saving journey. From our pension calculator to our drawdown calculator, to flexible contributions, and investment plans to suit every savings need, we’re constantly striving to create a product that makes all of our customers feel pension confident.

Nana, 53, is a taxi driver who signed up for PensionBee in 2019 after seeing an ad. He loves using the PensionBee app, saying, “I have the app on my phone. You can assess it 24/7 and everything is transparent. I can log in and see my pension increasing every month.”

Our Pension Confident customers enjoy using PensionBee to plan and save for their future. Most of all, they appreciate the human support provided by their personal BeeKeeper. Our BeeKeepers are on hand to help you with any queries and to track the progress of any pension transfers. Priya says, “The thing I love most about PensionBee is the support. There’s never a time where you think, ‘I don’t know what’s going on.’”

We believe that everyone can become pension confident, and we’re proud to help our customers become excited about their pension savings, and their retirement plans. Nana says, “I can see that the future looks great for me. PensionBee has made me confident.”

Watch our Pension Confident customers share their experiences with PensionBee in the video below.

You can hear more from our Pension Confident customers over on our YouTube channel. Let us know how PensionBee helps you feel Pension Confident by leaving a comment or getting in touch on Twitter!

Risk warning
As always with investments, your capital is at risk. The value of your investment can go down as well as up, and you may get back less than you invest. This information should not be regarded as financial advice.

What happened at PensionBee in June 2020
This June, we’ve been working to promote diversity and inclusion within financial services, as well as some exciting updates for our customers. Read on to find out what we were up to last month.

This June, we’ve spent a lot of time thinking about how we can promote diversity in response to the Black Lives Matter protests that have been taking place around the world. At PensionBee we believe our diversity is one of our biggest strengths and are incredibly proud to have achieved gender parity, and around _higher_rate ethnic minority representation, which is unheard of in the pensions and wider financial services industry.

We believe we have a responsibility to speak out against racism and fight for race equality at every opportunity, and encourage our peers to help us make the sector more representative of society and you, our wonderful customers. Over the coming weeks, we’ll announce the longer-term steps we’d like to take to address this issue and, as always, we’ll invite you to share your views.

For now, read on to find out what else we were working on in June.

Yolt customers can now see their PensionBee transaction history within the Yolt app

Yolt integration

We’ve recently enhanced our 2-way API integration with Yolt, the free app that lets you do more with your money. PensionBee customers can now see their pension transaction history within the Yolt app, making it even easier for you to keep track of your saving.

Thanks to Yolt you can have all of your financial information in one secure place, giving you a clear view of your tomorrow money alongside your today money.

Yolt gives you more control over your money, enabling you to stay on top of your finances and make smarter choices so you can look forward to a happy retirement. Click here to find out more.

We’re finalists for two Diversity in Finance Awards

Diversity in Finance Awards

We’re delighted to announce that PensionBee has been shortlisted in two categories at the FT Adviser Diversity in Finance Awards: ‘Employer of the Year’ and ‘Diversity Marketing & Recruitment Campaign of the Year’. These nominations recognise our commitment to achieving wider representation in the pensions industry by campaigning for change and challenging the stereotypes that you need to look a certain way to succeed, whether that be a prescribed gender, age or ethnicity.

Earlier this month we also learned that our CEO, Romi, had been named in IndustryWired’s list of ‘top 10 ingenious women in European fintech’. Selected for her efforts shaping the industry and paving the way for women across the world, Romi features alongside Anne Boden, CEO of Starling Bank and Meri Williams, former CTO of Monzo Bank among others.

Join our PensionBee user community

PensionBee HoneyMaker

We’re always trying to improve your experience so we can continue to bring you a leading pension product, but we can’t do it alone! We’re looking for volunteers to help provide feedback on everything from exciting new products to existing features. If you’d like to participate in surveys, focus groups, prototype testing and much more, you can become a PensionBee HoneyMaker.

Keep an eye out for our next update on our blog. We’re always working on new features to make our customers happy, so if you have any ideas or suggestions, please let us know in the comments section or over on social media, and we’ll feed it back to the team.

What happened at PensionBee in July 2020
July was another busy month at PensionBee HQ, which saw us introduce a host of brand new product features to help even more of our customers achieve their savings goals. Read on to find out what we got up to last month.

July was another busy month at PensionBee HQ, which saw us introduce a host of brand new product features to help even more of our customers achieve their savings goals. We’re passionate about making pensions simple so that everyone can look forward to a happy retirement, but as our recent research suggests, increasingly the over 55s need additional guidance to ensure they’re in the most suitable investment products for their retirement needs. Read on to learn more about how we’re already acting on our findings, and discover the new innovations that took place in July.

We’ve made it even easier for you to save for a happy retirement

Contribution improvements

Over the past couple of months we’ve been working hard to incorporate your feedback and simplify the process of making contributions to your pension. If you’re the director of a limited company, it’s now much more straightforward to add a contribution from your business, and you can add as many contributors and employers as you wish.

We’re also making it easier to keep track of your savings by showing you how much you’ve added to your pension during the current tax year. The next time you log into the BeeHive via our website, head to the ‘Contributions’ tab to see how much you’ve saved - if you’re an app user you’ll be able to see this new feature very soon! Don’t forget, if you’re below your savings target you can set up a contribution to your pension via bank transfer in a few clicks.

We’ve teamed up with Legal & General to offer pension annuities

Pension annuities

We’re pleased to announce that we’ve partnered with Legal & General to introduce pension annuities to our customers aged 55 and over. A pension annuity can pay you a guaranteed income for the rest of your life, and you can choose to use some or all of your pension savings to buy an annuity when you retire.

An annuity is just one of the options open to savers upon retirement, alongside drawdown which lets you access your pension savings whenever you need to, while keeping the rest of your savings invested in a way that’s specially designed to provide an ongoing retirement income.

Visit our new pension annuities page to learn more and find out how you can get the best rate.

We want to help savers over 55 better manage and spend their pensions

In July we launched a new research report, looking at the experiences of people drawing down their pensions in the UK. After surveying almost 1,000 savers aged 55-70, who were either making plans to access their pension or were at the point of withdrawing, we learned that they faced three common challenges.

The coronavirus pandemic has made decisions about accessing pensions harder, with savers feeling more worried. For many, pensions have become disconnected from retirement, leading savers to access their pension early – paying too much tax and losing out on potential returns. We discovered that a desire for control can prompt a withdrawal, with savers often moving their money to a savings account or other investments.

In the coming months we’ll be exploring ways we can help this group of savers better manage and spend their pensions in retirement so look out for lots of content and some exciting innovations. In the meantime you can read our full report here.

Keep an eye out for our next update on our blog. We’re always working on new features to make our customers happy, so if you have any ideas or suggestions, please let us know in the comments section or over on social media, and we’ll feed it back to the team.

What happened at PensionBee in August 2020
August was a busy month at PensionBee HQ, where we rolled out our new Pension Confident ads and launched a shiny new homepage. Read on to find out what we were up to last month.

August was a busy month at PensionBee HQ, where we celebrated not one but two awards nominations! We also launched a shiny new homepage, showcasing the four customers who feature in our new Pension Confident ads, to coincide with the campaign’s roll out on billboards and bus shelters across the country. Read on to find out what else we were working on in August.

We’re helping savers across the UK be Pension Confident

Our Pension Confident ads

In the past few weeks you may have spotted our new Pension Confident TV ads featuring four of our lovely customers: Lynn, Juan, Priya and Nana. We’ve just extended the campaign to thousands of bus shelters and billboards across the country, so if you haven’t seen them yet, chances are you will in the coming weeks. If you spot one of our ads next time you’re using public transport, don’t forget to tweet us a picture!

We’re finalists at the 2020 WSB Awards

WSB Awards 2020

We’re delighted to announce that PensionBee is a finalist in the ‘Pension Provider of the Year’ category at the Professional Pensions Workplace Savings and Benefits Awards, which recognise the best pension and benefit providers in the UK.

We’ve also been shortlisted for BusinessCloud’s ‘100 FinTech Disrupters’, a ranking of the UK’s most exciting fintech companies, for the second year in a row. The winners will be determined by a combination of reader votes and selections from an expert judging panel.

We want to hear from you!

Share your views

We’re always keen to hear from our customers so we can learn from your experiences, and this month we’re looking to hear from mothers aged 35-44 who are passionate about the environment, and would be happy to take part in a focus group with one of our partners, ShareAction.

ShareAction is a registered charity that promotes responsible investment and aims to improve corporate behaviour on environmental, social and governance issues. If you’d be interested in sharing your views, please get in touch by emailing engagement@pensionbee.com.

Keep an eye out for our next update on our blog. We’re always working on new features to make our customers happy, so if you have any ideas or suggestions, please let us know in the comments section or over on social media, and we’ll feed it back to the team.

What happened at PensionBee in September 2020
September is always busy at PensionBee HQ and this past month hasn’t disappointed, with app updates and award wins. Read on to find out what we were up to in September.

September is always busy at PensionBee HQ and this past month hasn’t disappointed. In early September, we were delighted to announce that we surpassed a significant milestone – we now administer over £1bn of pension savings on your behalf. Thank you for entrusting us with your hard-earned savings and inspiring us to continue delivering a leading pension product!

As we look towards the end of the year, there’ll be some exciting announcements about our Fossil Fuel Free Plan, as well as a host of other new initiatives and product improvements coming down the line.

For now, read on to find out what else we worked on in September.

We made some changes to the way you can set up employer contributions

Employer contributions update

Over the past few months we’ve highlighted the changes we’ve made to simplify the process of making contributions to your pension, enabling you to add as many contributors and employers as you wish. We’ve now taken it one step further, making it even easier for employers to pay into your pension.

You can now make arrangements for your employer to pay into your PensionBee pension, without them needing to confirm the amount or regularity of the contributions in advance. As part of the new process we’ll ask you to confirm your eligibility for tax relief, as your employer can now make both employer and member (employee) contributions into your pension. For the member contribution, we’ll claim a _corporation_tax tax top up from HMRC on your behalf.

Simply follow the process of adding a new contribution in your BeeHive if you’d like to set up this arrangement, and your employer will be emailed some instructions to follow.

We celebrated our busiest month for award wins yet

September award wins

We’re thrilled to announce that in September, PensionBee was named ‘Employer of the Year’ at the FT Adviser Diversity in Finance Awards. We’re especially proud to win this award in recognition of our policies and initiatives that encourage diversity in the workplace, and intend to keep campaigning for wider representation in the pensions industry.

PensionBee has also won the award for ‘Pensions Innovation’ at the inaugural Finder Investing & Saving Innovation Awards, which celebrated the most innovative providers across the areas of saving, stocks and shares ISAs, pensions, share dealing, and CFD and forex trading.

We’re pleased to have also been named in the ‘FinTech50 2020’ list of 50 European fintechs to watch, for the third year in a row, and ranked number 38 in BusinessCloud’s list of ‘100 FinTech Disrupters‘ for 2020. The winners were determined by a combination of 5,000 reader votes and an independent judging panel, so if you voted for PensionBee, we thank you!

Last but not least, our founders, Romi and Jonathan, were featured in Business Leader Magazine’s list of ‘Top 32 Fintech Leaders‘.

Our CTO, Jonathan, discussed how we’re revolutionising pensions with technology

Jonathan on Digital Innovation Chat

Hear our CTO, Jonathan Lister Parsons, discussing the technology behind PensionBee’s mobile app and the impact of coronavirus on the pensions industry on Cleevio’s Digital Innovation Chat podcast.

Keep an eye out for our next update on our blog. We’re always working on new features to make our customers happy, so if you have any ideas or suggestions, please let us know in the comments section or over on social media, and we’ll feed it back to the team.

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E27: The cost of friendship with Dr. Tara Quinn-Cirillo, Niaz Azad and Brooke Day

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Apr 2024

The following is a transcript of our monthly podcast, The Pension Confident Podcast. Listen to episode 27, watch on YouTube, or scroll on to read the conversation.

PHILIPPA: Hello and welcome back to The Pension Confident Podcast. I’m Philippa Lamb, this month, we’re diving into the cost of friendship. Because friendship is priceless, right? But navigating social groups where some people are a lot better off than others can be a real minefield. Truth is, it’s not easy to talk about money, especially during social gatherings. We’ve all been there - you’re having a great night out with friends, then the bill arrives. Suddenly it’s that decision between saying “yes” to just going Dutch, or reminding everyone you didn’t have a starter. So here’s our question for today; how can you nurture your friendships and show up for your loved ones when your bank accounts don’t match? And what’s the best way to talk about money with friends?

Well, our guests are here to help with that. Dr. Tara Quinn-Cirillo, she’s a Psychologist and Associate Fellow of The British Psychological Society. She’s also Co-Director of the Conversation Starter Project - a grassroots project supporting people to manage their emotional health, loneliness and isolation. Hello Tara.

TARA: Hi. Thanks for having me.

PHILIPPA: Niaz Azad is Co-Founder of Millennial Money UK - an online platform that’s reshaping the conversation around money for young people. Welcome Niaz.

NIAZ: Hi. Thank you for having me.

PHILIPPA: And lastly, PensionBee’s own Head of Brand and Communications, Brooke Day. Welcome back to the podcast, Brooke.

BROOKE: Hello.

PHILIPPA: The usual disclaimer before we start, please remember that anything discussed on this podcast shouldn’t be regarded as financial advice or legal advice. And when investing, your capital is at risk.

How to discuss money fairly

PHILIPPA: Now look, everyone, I want to kick this off by asking you a question. What’s the most you have each spent celebrating friends? And did you regret it afterwards when you saw your bank statement?

BROOKE: For me, I was thinking about it, and I actually think it’s in the thousands. Which I know is...

PHILIPPA: No, really?

BROOKE: ...Yeah. But let me caveat that with it was a wedding abroad. There was a hen do. So I’m getting a holiday out of it, too. But actually, when you think the purpose of that trip and experience is for a friend, yeah it racks up. I had a great time and definitely no regrets.

PHILIPPA: Where was it?

BROOKE: In Ibiza.

PHILIPPA: OK, I can see how that can be really expensive! Tara, have you ever been there? Or are you too rational to overspend for friends?

TARA: No. Actually I have a really recent example as well. So I celebrated a friend’s birthday just a month ago, actually. And when you pay with your phone, it’s like Monopoly money. So the next day, after lots and lots of rounds of drinks, you kind of see the total and kind of go ‘ouch’. It’s a sting, but a nice sting.

PHILIPPA: That’s the thing. You do have the hangover as well, don’t you?

TARA: Yes, but I’m not admitting that!

PHILIPPA: Niaz?

NIAZ: I think mine’s the same as yours. It’s in the thousands and it’s destination weddings again. So I’ve had a couple of those. And we’re just, I think, starting out the season of weddings, so it’s very excitable. I don’t regret it, but - it was fun, it does get really expensive.

PHILIPPA: It’s a lot, and it’s always more than you think, isn’t it? These trips, you budget, you think, particularly if you’re going abroad, you think, “yeah, I know roughly what that’s going to be”. And weirdly, it’s never less, is it?

BROOKE: It goes out the window because not only is it a holiday where all expenses go out the window, it’s a wedding and a holiday. So you’re like, well, I want to do everything. I want to celebrate with everyone. I want to make sure it’s the best time for my friends and also for me. When you’re there, you sort of forget...

TARA: And you let go, don’t you?

BROOKE: Yeah.

TARA: And alcohol is this inhibitor. So we don’t think things through as clearly when we drink alcohol as well. So it’s almost the perfect storm.

PHILIPPA: Tara, what’s the psychology at play here? Why is it hard to talk about money with friends? Because we could all have said “I can’t afford to go on that trip. It’s too much for me right now” - but we don’t, do we?

TARA: It’s really hard. I was thinking about this on two levels to help people think through for themselves. So A, I think in British culture, we’re notoriously rubbish at having conversations, difficult conversations. But also when you think about friendship, there are so many values there. So you value that person, you value their wellbeing, their enjoyment. So you’re more likely to say “yes” to things and maybe put them first rather than yourself. And that’s maybe sometimes where we cause ourselves some issues.

PHILIPPA: Yeah, because we saw a survey that said most people would rather talk to their friends about sex than money.

TARA: So interesting. Yeah.

PHILIPPA: It’s fascinating, isn’t it? Because that’s supposed to be a bit of a taboo subject. But anything rather than talking about it “I can’t afford to do that”.

TARA: Sex doesn’t usually cause conflict, whereas money can cause conflict. It can fracture relationships. And innately human beings are social animals. We don’t like to be outside of the herd. So talking about money can mean that sometimes you might be excluded. So we’ll do whatever we can to avoid that, even if it means that we’re at risk with our bank balance.

PHILIPPA: It starts really early, doesn’t it, school? Even then, kids are aware of this stuff, aren’t they?

NIAZ: Yeah, definitely. I think it’s the status on the playground based on clothes and non-uniform days. And you’re like, OK, it starts quite early on and you have this sense of missing out.

PHILIPPA: There’s that pressure to keep up, isn’t there? It’s fear of missing out, whether it’s you or your kids, if you have kids. Or, almost worse, appearing mean.

BROOKE: Yeah, it could be that you’re saving for a house or investing your money, all those other things that people don’t realise that you’re doing with money. Outwardly, they may think, “but you’ve got the money to do that. Why don’t you want to do it?”. And you’re like, “I just don’t want to”. But I don’t want to feel like I have to explain the why.

PHILIPPA: Yeah, because another survey, Credit Karma survey, nearly half of millennials say they overspend to keep up with their friends. 8_personal_allowance_rate of them who went into debt, kept their debt a secret from their friends, because there’s a lot of shame around that, isn’t there? But it’s easy to get into debt if you’re trying to keep up, isn’t it?

NIAZ: I think a lot of people don’t realise that they’re doing it. You know you earn a decent salary or you have a regular income and you might not have the cash now, but you’ve got a credit card, which gives you this line of financing and you’re spending money, you’re going out with the forethought that “I’m going to just pay this off at the end of the month”, not realising you’re in a cycle of just financing your lifestyle by doing so. A lot of people don’t actually realise it until they overstretch just that little bit one month, and then it goes into [debt], and that’s how they get you in the consumer credit industry, right?

PHILIPPA: But you don’t see the jeopardy?

NIAZ: Exactly.

PHILIPPA: If you’re in a job, you’re thinking, “it’s fine, I can manage this”.

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Navigating a financial divide

PHILIPPA: Should we talk a bit about how to handle situations? Because it feels OK-ish to be ‘hard up’, maybe when you’re at school or are a student. Certainly there’s this acceptable thing around being ‘hard up’. But when you start working full-time, it just becomes a lot clearer, doesn’t it, about how much people have got different levels of income, whatever job you’re doing. You’re working in the city, you’re earning a lot more than if you’re in teacher training or whatever it might be. And then you get different attitudes to spending, don’t you? We talked about it a bit, either you’re not bothered, it’s fine, I’ll catch up sometime, or you’re a saver. So even if you’re earning quite well, excuse me, you don’t necessarily want to spend it all on your social life. So how do we navigate that? How do you meet in the middle with your friends?

BROOKE: A few things I’ve done. So whenever I’ve gone on big group trips, we’ll use an app called Splitwise, and I’m sure there’s many others.

PHILIPPA: Oh, yeah.

BROOKE: And so then it takes away the awkwardness of, I guess sometimes you feel like if you’re owed £10 by the end, you don’t really want to ask for it. When everyone’s putting all of the different expenses on there and who bought things or shared things with, it rounds it all up and at the end, it splits it. So everyone gets what they put in. So some of my friends will like to go away with no cash, but they know, “oh, it’ll all be figured out towards the end”. Whereas I think I’m a bit more like, I like to know what I’m going with. But then equally, I’m going to get some back later on. So win-win from the situation.

PHILIPPA: Yeah, I’ve used those apps. I really like them. I’m thinking about also picking venues because talking about normalisation again, if you’re in a high earning job in your late 20s, early 30s, whatever it is, where you go is where your colleagues and your mates from your work circle go. But there’s an awkwardness around suggesting somewhere that’s obviously cheaper sometimes, isn’t there, though?

TARA: I bring that in, status. It’s a thing, isn’t it? Depending on where you work and how you work, you can get sucked into new circles. So friendships change, you may have your friends from school, you may have friends you’ve met at other forums, and then you may have friends that are more related to your work. And then you might then have to balance that across all those groups. It could be hard. You can easily get caught up. I guess a good friend might also be able to ground you and help you have those conversations, what we call the “tricky, cringey”, you know, “sweaty hand conversations”.

BROOKE: It’s interesting, though. There’s still those nostalgic places where you like to go back to, like a Pizza Express or a Nando’s where actually, even though you know they’re cheaper than some other places and not as nice, if you suggest it or someone else suggests it, you’re like, “oh, yeah, that really takes me back to being a child doing these things”. The nostalgic feelings.

NIAZ: It’s so true. Some of the most high-profile dinners I’ve had recently have been in Nando’s.

BROOKE: Yeah.

NIAZ: Genuinely with exited founders, with multimillionaires. And they’ve suggested, “why don’t we just catch up at Nando’s?”.

TARA: I wonder what the psychology of that is. Is there something about just being able to let go of all of that stuff and kudos and all of that and just connecting with people? Because you made a really good point about values that I always think as human beings, we get really stuck on goals, these measurable, attainable things, and it’s a bit of a vicious cycle. And actually, if you can come to what I call the layer underneath, which is our values, the who, what, when, where that really matters. That actually for you and your friends, what do you value about them and their time? Is it about the venue or what you get from them?

PHILIPPA: So thinking about that lovely phrase you used, “the sweaty palm conversation”.

TARA: It’s my favourite line. I use it every day in clinic.

PHILIPPA: I want to ask all of you if you’ve had one of those?

TARA: Every day.

PHILIPPA: Really?

TARA: Probably every day. To me, I always - so as a psychologist it’s really important. Think about your own footprint, so how your body and your mind responds when you’re under stress. So that can be stress around money, gifting, going away for the weekend. If you recognise how it shows up, that will help you to know when there’s a problem and then help you think what you’re going to do about it. So for me, sweaty hands is my number one thing that I notice when I’m under stress. If my hands are sweating, if I get an invite to something or I’m worried about money, it’s a sign that I need to take some time and think it through. Take a moment. Is sweaty hands your guys’ thing? I don’t know. Or what is your footprint for...

BROOKE: That’s really interesting.

TARA: ...feeling awkward or stressed?

BROOKE: I used to feel like that a lot about saying “no” to my friends, interestingly. I feel like I’m naturally a bit of a people pleaser. I used to find that really, especially in my 20s, I’d feel like if I say “no” to this, I’m not going to be invited again. They’re never going to speak to me again. They’re going to think I’m the worst person.

PHILIPPA: I think everyone feels that when they’re really young.

BROOKE: Yeah, I had to really work on it. Sometimes I now find that especially, I guess, if I’m tired and stressed, I just want the conversation done. I have a tendency to just say “yes”. But I really tried to practise because otherwise, I know what you mean, I do notice that I start to experience the physical effects of not actually doing the thing that was true to me.

NIAZ: I’m the same. It’s actually a big development point for me to lean into more difficult conversations.

TARA: My favourite phrase, too.

NIAZ: Because I’m quite conflict avoiding as well. But I’ve tried to think about how to better communicate in those instances, which, again, I’m probably not the best at yet. But like you, I’ll probably just be like, “yeah, OK, fine, whatever”. I’ll just put myself through some pain.

BROOKE: Just to get it done.

NIAZ: Just to get it done.

TARA: That, for me, is such an important point that sometimes as human beings, we get stuck on those goals. “I need to be able to have this perfect conversation about money and put these perfect boundaries in”. It never works out that way. So even if you can get to the point to go, “I find this really hard”. What can I do even with this anxiety? Can I even just start to maybe draft a text about the money situation? I might not send it for a day. Can I think about what the conversation would look like even if I don’t do it? Just those little baby steps which help you make room for that stress or that anxiety, and then you get used to it and it’s less of a threat.

How friendship expenses can snowball

PHILIPPA: We should move on, but I want to ask for examples, really, because I’ll tell you right now I’ve got one. Probably the worst one I’ve ever had around money was a friend I lent money to.

TARA: Yeah, interesting.

PHILIPPA: We’ll talk about this more later. But yeah, I had to have that conversation where I had to ask for it back.

TARA: Yeah, that’s hard.

PHILIPPA: And yeah, that was a really sweaty palm conversation because it’s so hard. You really feel you shouldn’t. Yeah, it was grim. Yeah, has anyone else?

NIAZ: Again, it’s probably not the best way to approach it, but I approach lending money now, assuming it’s money that I could afford not to get back.

PHILIPPA: Yeah.

NIAZ: That’s probably self-preservation as well, because I don’t want to have that conversation.

PHILIPPA: No, is it avoidance?

NIAZ: Yeah.

PHILIPPA: Yeah, it probably is.

NIAZ: Yeah, because even when I think back to when I have had that conversation, I don’t really like how it went. I don’t even like how I communicated in that because I cringe [at] myself for having that conversation, but it’s an important one to have. So I guess my new philosophy with lending money is on the working assumption that I could afford not to have it back.

PHILIPPA: We talked a bit about weddings earlier. I’d quite like to get down to the nitty gritty of weddings. Because there’s quite a lot of detail around navigating wedding trips, isn’t there? I mean, we’ve all been on them, right? I don’t know. I mean, is it worse? There’s hen parties, of course, aren’t there? And stags as well.

TARA: I think they’ve really changed. So since I got married, 17 years ago, the whole culture around hens and stag dos has changed dramatically. To me, sometimes they’re almost more dominant than the wedding.

PHILIPPA: So if you’re going to go on one of these trips, ways to keep the cost down? Sharing accommodation is one that comes into my mind.

BROOKE: Yeah, I’ve done that on quite a few trips. I think, I’m single and lots of my friends are married or in long-term relationships, and I think they often forget that suddenly when you don’t have two incomes paying for these things, the costs spiral even more. So whilst it might be, “oh, it’s only £300 between two”, when that’s £300 on your own, plus the outfit, the cabs, the gift, that’s suddenly £600. It’s not that you don’t want to do it, but for them, that’s £300 each, and they could do 12 that summer. But when you want to go to all 12 and you’re like, “oh, wow, that’s £600 a time”, without even realising.

PHILIPPA: Gifting is a vexed subject, isn’t it? Because it’s the transparency, I think. If there’s lists, then everyone pretty much sees and they all know what you’re spending. And that can be a thing when you’ve got people who are saying, “OK, I’ll buy all the glassware”. And you’re thinking, “I’ll just buy a saucepan then”, or whatever it is. And the ones where you have to give cash. And obviously culturally, in some cultures, that’s a long tradition. It’s quite new, I’d say, to the white British tradition, giving cash at weddings.

BROOKE: I went to a Greek wedding the other summer and we pinned the money on the bride and that was a really fun experience. But you knew that was culturally what you should be doing.

PHILIPPA: In envelopes or in cash?

BROOKE: No, in cash. There’s the people that want the colours that are more expensive in rows and you see the rows and stuff. But also I think it’s fun. It made us feel a part of their culture on the day.

PHILIPPA: I’ve been to weddings where it’s much more of an envelope tradition.

NIAZ: Yeah, I’ve had both. I don’t know how it’s been for you, but there was one where between the group everyone had decided an amount and everyone was giving the same amount. But then there’s been others where it’s like, “OK, we’ll just give cash”. I’m like, “OK, how much? What are we meant to give, how do you calculate what you’re going to give?”.

PHILIPPA: Because the numbers can be really big. Really big.

BROOKE: Who initiates that conversation on deciding the how much?

NIAZ: Just one of the groomsmen, to be fair. Then I think everyone just fell in line.

PHILIPPA: What are you going to say at that point? “Actually, that’s a bit more than I had in mind”.

TARA: Yeah, I’ve had that from both perspectives. So my other half’s family are Italian, so we had that with the money pinned and some in envelopes. And I remember thinking at the time, that’s very new to me, it was a little bit cringe to be honest. Physically seeing tangible money. We’re not that used to it nowadays. But from the other perspective, I thought it may be awkward when you’re opening those envelopes after your wedding. And it really wasn’t, there genuinely was no “ooh, you’ve given this, you’ve given this”. It was just people have given us these gifts and we’re really lucky.

PHILIPPA: Just moving on, there’s one thing I don’t want to forget to ask you about, and that’s flat shares, because I think this, post-pandemic, has become even more of an issue with home working. That’s like just different incomes under the same roof. Tips for navigating this, because I’m thinking about utility bills, which have been crazy in the last year or two. If you’re working from home and your flatmate isn’t, are we still splitting the bills down the middle, or...? That’s a conversation, isn’t it?

BROOKE: I think often it’s about social contract. Before you get into these things, having the conversation about it, so whether that’s lending money or how bills are going to be split. I think from my experience, when I was at university, it was the first time I’ve ever rented and moved away from home and we got this house and I definitely had the subpar room, and we just split the cost of the house and the rental amongst [us all]. And now I think, “why did I?”. I think of two friends, they had double bedrooms with ensuites and I lived next to the kitchen by the dishwasher.

PHILIPPA: And paid the same?

BROOKE: And paid the same. And now I think, I wish I’d had the courage to say, “hey, maybe that’s not fair and we should split it a different way because you’re getting a far better deal from this than me”. But I think because I was a bit of a people pleaser, I just said, “oh, it’s fine”. That’s just what you do. But I guess [I’ll] live and learn. And second to that, we set up joint bank accounts to split bills, and I didn’t quite realise then that that could impact my credit score moving forward. And I wish I’d learnt that sooner, that actually, had I lived with people that racked up loads of debt, that would then be impacting me in the future. So I guess that’s something to consider.

PHILIPPA: Yeah, that’s really worth thinking about.

Overcoming envy

PHILIPPA: Just looping back to difficult emotions - envy. Because we’re human, aren’t we? We find ourselves in situations where cash is nothing for some people. We’re struggling. Even though we love them, they’re our friends. It’s there, isn’t it?

TARA: I always say some emotions get a rough ride compared to others because they’re associated with behaviours that are more negative, but it doesn’t make the emotion invalid. And I always think anger and envy are two of those emotions. If someone’s sad, you don’t tend to judge them in the same way, or anxious. But we do get envious, we get jealous. And I always say, if you can try and split the emotion from the behaviour, look at how you respond. It’s OK to feel envy. It’s absolutely OK. But if that then means that perhaps you behave in ways that don’t fit with your values, is that OK with you? How does that sit?

PHILIPPA: Yeah. And it’s worth remembering, obviously, feeling envy ourselves - we’ve all been that. I’m sure [at] one stage or another in our lives. But it’s a toxic, horrible, horrible feeling eating you up. But on the other side of it, not great being the target of envy either. So if you’re the person who has worked really hard and maybe is still working really hard and is earning and succeeding, nothing wrong with that, is there?

TARA: Absolutely.

PHILIPPA: It’s tough to feel the target of envy.

NIAZ: That’s why I really try to challenge envy in myself, especially, but then in some of my friends as well. I try to challenge if any envious symptoms are showing up, because there’s a working assumption that you know how much someone has to spend on things without any understanding of their responsibilities. I think the negative symptoms of envy is when people just expect everyone else to be able to have money to spend because they’re earning more.

BROOKE: I’m with you, it’s perception. You might be earning a lot, or one may be earning a lot, but they could be also spending a lot. They may not have any savings for their retirement, for example, or investing. They could have racked up loads of debt. I guess to your point, you don’t know what people’s...

TARA: What’s hidden?

BROOKE: ...Yeah, it’s just how they’re presenting. But someone who’s earning a lot less could have far better financial wealth and wellbeing than someone who’s earning a lot more, but it’s perception.

TARA: That’s a really good point, actually. So I think something people may be able to take away from this then is that none of this is easy. There’s no formula, there’s no tick box for how we should navigate money, friendships. But we can learn and it takes time, and it takes practice. And sometimes it takes a bit of leaning into tricky stuff, but we can get there and it’s flexible, it’s mouldable.

As you and your friends get older

PHILIPPA: It’s a continuum, though, isn’t it? Because this isn’t a ‘job done’ situation. Because I was thinking as the decades tick by these financial gaps, they can get bigger, and more marked, can’t they? And the signifiers get really obvious, don’t they? Like better house, better car, kids at private schools, whatever it is that people spend their money on. And that, it seems to me, is a danger point for friendships that might have survived that far, because then it just gets to be a bridge too far. You’re living in different areas. You’re just living different lives. And friendships start to really fade because you don’t see each other, because you don’t see each other, because you’re living different lives. And then you can lose people, can’t you?

BROOKE: I think I keep seeing statistics around how millennials are about to experience the greatest transfer of wealth as their parents or relatives start to die. I think that it’ll be an interesting point to navigate when people are suddenly getting an inheritance.

NIAZ: Like you said as well, I think it’s $100 trillion that’s going to transfer between generations...

TARA: Wow!

NIAZ: ...which is the largest ever intergenerational wealth transfer. That’s going to drastically change things for people over the next 10 years, or 10-20 years definitely, and it’s going to be noticeable.

I’ve witnessed the positive side of our friendship group being quite competitive. We studied together, and I think it’s definitely helped everyone in our group progress in their careers to a certain extent. We’ve seen the competitive side and I think everyone’s doing quite well because they’ve been nudged by their friends. But it’s a double-edged sword, right? Because you can also see the forks in the road with drastically different wealth down the line.

TARA: Do you think it changes people? Does it change friends, how they are, their outlook?

NIAZ: I think it depends. Sorry.

BROOKE: No, go for it.

NIAZ: I was going to say, I think it depends on the friendship you have with people. One of the things that I found is, I’ve been reconnecting with friends from my childhood.

TARA: Wow.

NIAZ: That’s a pre-status, pre-wealth bond that you have and none of us care what we’re doing.

PHILIPPA: Is that right? You still feel connected?

NIAZ: It was actually in the last two years, I’ve connected with three or four friends I knew from more than 15 years ago. Immensely successful friends, actually, some of them public figures, and we spoke nothing about that. It was like, we just go back to our childhood. So I think it depends on the kind of friendships you have, whereas friendships you make at a certain stage in your life, which are, I don’t know, the context of those friendships are the wealth that you have, the status that you have. I think those are much more likely to change based on wealth because as you climb or descend, I don’t know.

TARA: That default conversation, isn’t it? Default conversation might be more around work if that’s the sphere that you’re...

PHILIPPA: It might be, but you know where they’re at, don’t you? Before you reconnect, because we live in a connected social media world. Would you feel, do you think, equally relaxed with early friends who are just living very, very ordinary lives, very different to your own?

NIAZ: I think so because of the nature of those friendships. We went back to a random café, for example, when we were in school that we used to go to, and it was the nostalgia, right? Then we’d laugh about certain things. I think there’s a craving. I think as humans, you know the science behind this better than me. There’s a craving for nostalgia and innocence and that, especially when you’re in careers which are quite demanding and...

TARA: Quite grounding sometimes, isn’t it?

NIAZ: ...Yeah, and as a society that’s so status-driven, I think there’s a yearning for something much simpler, which I found. I don’t know. That’s been my experience.

BROOKE: I agree. Those summers where you’re at school, you’ve got six weeks [off], you have no money, but you’re having the time of your life.

When life throws you curveballs

PHILIPPA: OK, I’ve got one that I’ve been interested in for a long time. What happens if your circumstances change radically? We can talk about planning, how we think our career and life trajectory is going to be. You get into these tribes effectively, don’t you? And whether you choose it or not, it happens. And then sometimes stuff happens. It might be a divorce, it might be illness, death, or it might be a massive inheritance if you’re really fortunate. Suddenly, everything is different for you. And I’m wondering how you fare in your tribe. Can you stay in a tribe where, for example, you can’t afford to do the stuff you used to do with those people, or the other way around? Suddenly, you’re just way better off. What do we feel? Have you ever experienced that? Has anyone?

BROOKE: I’ve had friends who have been married and already got divorced, and I guess they were much further ahead in their view, and then they came back to square one. But from our side, we didn’t treat them any differently because I think for me, the connection is beyond how much money we all have. It’s like, “I love and care for you, and I want you to be involved in the things that we’re doing”. So if that means that we’re funding a bit of that for a time. I’ve definitely been in occasions where we’ve really wanted some friends to come. One of my friends had a child much earlier than everyone else, and we wanted her to still be involved. I remember us making a group decision; “let’s just pay because we wanted her to come irrespective”.

PHILIPPA: How did that go? Was she OK with that?

BROOKE: Yeah, she was fine.

PHILIPPA: It wasn’t weird?

BROOKE: No, we asked her. It wasn’t like, “oh we’ve just paid for it. You’re coming”. We were like, “we’re all happy to”. She was like, “do you mean that?”. I think if you’re good enough friends with people, they’re not going to offer if they don’t truly mean it.

TARA: It comes down to values, really, doesn’t it? What are the core values of the group that you’re in? Or you can have different groups, but also you can have subgroups. You don’t have to - if there’s a group of you that do everything together all the time. Sometimes we can get a bit stuck in rules, rule-bound behaviour. But actually, it may be that “a few of you are going to do that thing, and I’ll join you later, or I’ll dip out of this and catch up with you another time”. Sometimes we lose that flexibility of thought, don’t we?

BROOKE: I guess to your point, Tara, about when you got married, you didn’t know how you’d feel receiving the money. I guess if you’re that person in that, you might be the one getting divorced or receiving an inheritance or experiencing grief. I guess that could be the challenge, where as friends...

PHILIPPA: Oh, yeah, because you’re already raw, aren’t you?

BROOKE: ...you feel like you’re supporting and you’re helping them navigate it, but they may have very different feelings showing up for them.

PHILIPPA: I think so, because I think if people are going through those really traumatic experiences, they’re already feeling raw all over. So they’re possibly inclined to be even oversensitive to the difficulty because you know it’s like “everything’s falling apart. And now I need to just absent myself from all the stuff I did before because everything is different for me”. So there’s the role there, isn’t there, for friendship in making them feel reassured. That’s just not happening, and it’s not about the money. But it’s delicate ground, isn’t it? That sort of conversation.

TARA: I always love to ask people that. Sometimes we avoid conversations because our brain is brilliant at trying to protect us and say, “don’t say this. This is what’s going to happen”. It’ll fast forward to the future at a rate of knots. But have you ever had a conversation with someone where you’ve opened up and you’ve been really raw and regretted it? Because most people don’t. And usually you might find people go, “oh, I’m so glad you said that because that’s me too”. And it begins to just lift that pressure.

Lending money to friends

PHILIPPA: I’ve got my eye on the clock, and I’m going to ask, actually, this is a good point to ask - lending money. We touched on it earlier. I’ve done it myself, twice. It went really, really badly on one occasion and has gone swimmingly on another. Just no impact on our friendship at all. I’m delighted I did it on both occasions, but it was hard. But of course, you don’t have to, do you?

NIAZ: No, no you don’t.

PHILIPPA: Just to throw that around, just because you can, doesn’t mean you have to, does it? That’s a difficult conversation.

TARA: It’s OK to say “no”.

PHILIPPA: Well, you say that? But how do you say it?

TARA: It’s the hardest thing in the world, isn’t it? I guess, coming back to, you might have a baseline as to if someone’s saying, “oh, I’d really love to come in this night out, could you lend me money?” That might not fit with your values. But if you have someone who’s in perhaps a more risky situation, “I’m going to lose my tenancy” or “I’ve got a bill I can’t pay”, you may feel differently about that. So there can be different levels of decision making... I think that’s quite nice...

PHILIPPA: How do you say “no”, Tara?

TARA: I just say “no”. Psychologists do it right every time. No, I don’t, I’m awful.

NIAZ: It seems so easy.

TARA: I always think it’s really refreshing when mental health professionals will say we’re humans and we can be really rubbish at it. Sometimes I’ll just ignore [it], bury my head in the sand.

PHILIPPA: Well, that’s the thing is, like Brooke mentioned earlier, just because you’re earning big doesn’t mean you necessarily have a lot of disposable cash.

TARA: Absolutely.

PHILIPPA: We’ve touched on it all around and maybe you’re saving, maybe you’re saving for your pension. We’re a pensions podcast, we like it when people save for their pensions. And that can be significant sums of money. You might have all sorts of stuff going on that no one knows about, caring responsibilities, whatever it is, putting siblings through college, whatever. They’re all valid reasons, aren’t they? For saying, “actually, no, I really don’t want to do that. I need that money. I’ve got a pot where that money is going”.

BROOKE: Yeah. And I think it’s assessing your own financial resilience before you do that, which may also change during the course of the lending. I guess we’ve all [been] living through this cost of living crisis, inflation rate has gone up, interest rate - you may think you have more money spare to lend before than you actually do in the reality, when people are dipping into their reserves. I think it’s assessing truly your financial resilience before lending, but also not feeling obligated to explain the “no”.

NIAZ: I think it’s the exploitation thing that you mentioned earlier. I think when you feel like you’re being exploited, that’s when you can start to have a sweaty palm conversation.

Knowing when to let go

PHILIPPA: There’s a thought in my mind as well that not all friendships have to last forever, do they? I don’t want to be negative about this.

TARA: Absolutely. 10_personal_allowance_rate agree.

PHILIPPA: We all know people we used to know that have faded from our lives for one reason or another. And that’s kind of OK, isn’t it? If it’s for good reason.

TARA: I completely subscribe to that. So I’ve written about this quite a lot, actually, that during the pandemic, a lot of people realised who checked in, who were the ones to initiate contact when we couldn’t see each other. And I think [that] the most healthy thing you could do for yourself is to do a little refresh of your friendships. And sometimes we can get really caught up in, “but we’ve been friends for so long”. You can still have compassion for the past and the relationship as it was, but it’s OK if it doesn’t work for you now. It’s absolutely fine. But again, it’s a bit cringey. I think sometimes then we can get stuck with friends that perhaps are toxic and not good for us because we feel we should do, we must do.

PHILIPPA: Known them for years.

TARA: Yes. You can still have love and fondness for that history and that memory, but it doesn’t mean it has to work now.

PHILIPPA: And new friends.

BROOKE: Yeah!

PHILIPPA: Let’s not forget.

TARA: That’s OK, too.

PHILIPPA: There are always new friends. That seems a good place to wrap this up, I think, doesn’t it? Thank you all very much indeed.

TARA: You’re welcome.

PHILIPPA: Thank you all very much. It was so thought-provoking yet another way that money plays a central role in all our lives. If you enjoyed this episode, please do rate and review. We always love to hear what you think. Don’t forget, you can watch us on YouTube. And if you’re a PensionBee customer, you can listen to all the episodes in the PensionBee app. Just before we go, just a last reminder, anything discussed in the podcast shouldn’t be regarded as financial or legal advice. And when investing, your capital is at risk. Thank you for being with us.

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